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« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2012, 02:11:46 AM »

She's been found to be at least 1/32 Cherokee. Scott Brown must know that the real issues are losers when he's a pawn of Wall Street and she's not.
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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2012, 08:36:12 AM »

i was never a big fan of Warren in the first place. She just strikes me as a caricature of a neurotic female pol similar to someone like Bella Abzug. The democrats should have found a less foot-in-mouth candidate like Lynch or McGovern.
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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2012, 11:43:45 AM »

i was never a big fan of Warren in the first place. She just strikes me as a caricature of a neurotic female pol similar to someone like Bella Abzug. The democrats should have found a less foot-in-mouth candidate like Lynch or McGovern.

Lynch or McGovern wouldn't be able to beat Brown. They're about as untested as Warren without any of her positives.
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« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2012, 11:48:22 AM »

She's been found to be at least 1/32 Cherokee. Scott Brown must know that the real issues are losers when he's a pawn of Wall Street and she's not.

What a victory for the Warren campaign!
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« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2012, 11:48:46 AM »

i was never a big fan of Warren in the first place. She just strikes me as a caricature of a neurotic female pol similar to someone like Bella Abzug. The democrats should have found a less foot-in-mouth candidate like Lynch or McGovern.

Lynch is pro-life, McGovern is Fidel Castro and FARC's #1 US fan.
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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2012, 11:54:33 AM »

This "issue" is the filthiest race-baiting I've seen in years, quite frankly.

Indeed it is and no less from the campaign of a "moderate".
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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2012, 12:15:05 PM »

She's been found to be at least 1/32 Cherokee. Scott Brown must know that the real issues are losers when he's a pawn of Wall Street and she's not.

What a victory for the Warren campaign!

I think most voters will care more about things like Brown voting down the Buffet Rule than this nonsense.
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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2012, 12:21:14 PM »

This "issue" is the filthiest race-baiting I've seen in years, quite frankly.

I think this is certainly a stupid issue and I hope it disappears rapidly, but how on earth is it "race-baiting"?
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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2012, 12:24:30 PM »

I think this is certainly a stupid issue and I hope it disappears rapidly, but how on earth is it "race-baiting"?

How is it not race-baiting? They had no reason to think Warren was lying about her ancestry, yet they claimed (with no basis whatsoever) she was using her ancestry to win preferences.
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« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2012, 12:32:41 PM »
« Edited: May 07, 2012, 12:35:48 PM by Nathan »

I think this is certainly a stupid issue and I hope it disappears rapidly, but how on earth is it "race-baiting"?

How is it not race-baiting? They had no reason to think Warren was lying about her ancestry, yet they claimed (with no basis whatsoever) she was using her ancestry to win preferences.

Claiming 1/32 American Indian ancestry as conferring minority status is legitimately disingenuous, though, and it's one of the few genuine negatives that I perceive in Warren. It's just that I don't see it as a particularly major issue considering where she comes from, where Brown comes from, and what this election is about.
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« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2012, 04:47:09 PM »

It's race-baiting because it's invoking a backlash against affirmative action.
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« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2012, 10:07:12 PM »

It's race-baiting because it's invoking a backlash against affirmative action.

Or it is just a calling out of false and misleading conduct rank with dishonesty, and disingenuousness. If that renders one vulnerable to being b slapped by the race card, that is really sad state of affairs. But, no pain, no gain. If that is the price, so be it. Courage.
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« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2012, 10:17:53 PM »

It's race-baiting because it's invoking a backlash against affirmative action.

Or it is just a calling out of false and misleading conduct rank with dishonesty, and disingenuousness. If that renders one vulnerable to being b slapped by the race card, that is really sad state of affairs. But, no pain, no gain. If that is the price, so be it. Courage.

Torie, Scott Brown is a Republican. They have to say that he is race baiting!
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« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2012, 03:06:39 AM »
« Edited: May 08, 2012, 09:37:09 PM by Ogre Mage »

Scott Brown is, unsurprisingly, still trying to keep this story going:

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« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2012, 03:11:48 AM »

The Boston Herald is as guilty as Scott Brown is, quite frankly. This behavior is completely unbecoming of a supposedly mainstream paper.
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« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2012, 08:08:36 AM »

It's race-baiting because it's invoking a backlash against affirmative action.

Or it is just a calling out of false and misleading conduct rank with dishonesty, and disingenuousness. If that renders one vulnerable to being b slapped by the race card, that is really sad state of affairs. But, no pain, no gain. If that is the price, so be it. Courage.

Consider the possibility that both are at work here.

Some people were genuinely appalled at Rev. Wright, some people also saw the possibility to scare a certain segment of the population. With the Boston Herald, they have quite a track record on issues like this.
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« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2012, 10:03:33 AM »

My own opinion:

The controversy itself is a COTD with little if any staying power. Real lesson is that Team Warren still has some lessons to learn in rapid response and tactical messaging. This race will be won on 2 things: how well blue-collar Democrats receive their microtargeted messages from both candidates 2) GOTV. Everything else is so much background noise.

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« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2012, 03:52:40 PM »

http://www.mediaite.com/online/elizabeth-warren-shares-lineage-with-militia-member-implicated-in-run-up-to-trail-of-tears/

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« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2012, 04:40:20 PM »


So her 1/32 phony heritage was actually not Native American but a dude who actively hurt Native Americans.
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« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2012, 04:41:51 PM »


Assuming some degree of Indian blood is legit, which is certainly possible if not in any of the ways that people appear to have been claiming, this reminds me a little of how there is an entire fraternal organization for people who have both Patriot and Loyalist ancestors (and there are quite a few such people; it's inevitable if enough branches of your family have been in America for long enough).
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« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2012, 07:08:34 PM »

It's dishonesty, plain and simple.
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« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2012, 09:19:50 PM »

Not implicated in a criminal sense, since he was involved as part of his duties as a member of the TN militia. 
He married O. C. Sarah Smith in 1819
.  It might be she was a Cherokee who identified herself as white to cause her and her family less trouble, but her son knew her to be Cherokee. That would be interesting.
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« Reply #72 on: May 08, 2012, 10:38:12 PM »


The status of her other ancestors doesn't mean that she's not 1/32 Native American. Obama didn't stop being 1/2 black because he had white ancestors who owned black slaves.
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« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2012, 02:04:49 PM »

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« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2012, 03:04:08 PM »

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Well, that pretty much settles it. Scott Brown is looking even stupider than before.
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