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« Reply #100 on: May 07, 2012, 12:05:10 pm »
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I can see ministerial error being used to render proper punishment such as the proper fine for speeding, etc....but has ministerial error ever been used to condemn someone to death?

"yo, we forgot to kill you 3 years ago, our bad...so we are now re-arresting you, please step up to the gallows!"
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« Reply #101 on: May 07, 2012, 12:16:13 pm »
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I can see ministerial error being used to render proper punishment such as the proper fine for speeding, etc....but has ministerial error ever been used to condemn someone to death?

"yo, we forgot to kill you 3 years ago, our bad...so we are now re-arresting you, please step up to the gallows!"

Well there might be a possible defense of cruel and unusual punishment, but otherwise the guy should be planning upon whom he wants to bunk with in heaven.
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« Reply #102 on: May 07, 2012, 01:26:47 pm »
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Well there might be a possible defense of cruel and unusual punishment

no, I would mount a defense of double jeopardy (he already served the sentence previously handed down).  If someone was sentenced for one year, then completely that one year sentence and walked free for 2 years.  It's a little strange to have a new judge rearrest him and impose the "proper" sentence.

But, like I stated, I don't remember the guy.

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« Reply #103 on: May 07, 2012, 01:46:43 pm »
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Well there might be a possible defense of cruel and unusual punishment

no, I would mount a defense of double jeopardy (he already served the sentence previously handed down).  If someone was sentenced for one year, then completely that one year sentence and walked free for 2 years.  It's a little strange to have a new judge rearrest him and impose the "proper" sentence.

But, like I stated, I don't remember the guy.



Well the guy could file a writ of habeas corpus, but you know what Lincoln did with the one  Chief Justice Taney granted don't you? 
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« Reply #104 on: May 07, 2012, 01:49:22 pm »
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If anyone would like to appeal this decision, feel free to email Dave directly and state your case.

you must know that saying "feel free to email Dave directly" is tantamount to giving us The Finger.   One might as well sacrifice 100 bulls to Baal.

the onus of appeal should have been on the Mod team (the Mods should have appealed the original sentence), before exposing a poster to double jeopardy for something that 1) happened 3 years ago, 2) was already judged and sentenced, 3) sentence was served.

where is the due diligence, why are you "operating on the assumption that this was a mere oversight" when you, above everyone else on the forum, have opportunity to query The Dave?

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« Reply #105 on: May 07, 2012, 01:51:11 pm »
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Seriously jmf......isn't that enough?
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« Reply #106 on: May 07, 2012, 01:54:55 pm »
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Well the guy could file a writ of habeas corpus, but you know what Lincoln did with the one  Chief Justice Taney granted don't you? 

well, Lincoln did take drastic actions during a time of war, which only proves the point the Mods regularly operate as if there were an existential threat to the Forum that must be destroyed.
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« Reply #107 on: May 07, 2012, 01:56:18 pm »
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Seriously jmf......isn't that enough?

ok, I'll digress
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« Reply #108 on: May 07, 2012, 02:06:44 pm »
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Seriously jmf......isn't that enough?

ok, I'll digress

Digress into what? Tongue  "Desist" is the ticket here. Sometimes one just doesn't get one's way. Heck that still even happens to me sometimes, although I try to make that as rare as possible. Smiley
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« Reply #109 on: May 07, 2012, 02:34:45 pm »
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Digress into what? Tongue  "Desist" is the ticket here.

look, I know the Mod team doesn't like dissent from posters and wishes we cease and desist, but some of that same dissent has helped make the Mod team more "moderate". 
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« Reply #110 on: May 07, 2012, 05:24:32 pm »
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I feel you should continue, jmfcst.
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« Reply #111 on: May 07, 2012, 07:53:22 pm »
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I feel you should continue, jmfcst.

What, being a rambling fool helps, E.  C'mon
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« Reply #112 on: May 07, 2012, 09:05:10 pm »
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« Reply #113 on: May 08, 2012, 09:27:23 am »
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I feel you should continue, jmfcst.

What, being a rambling fool helps, E.  C'mon

agreed, that's why I edited my most pointed post.
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« Reply #114 on: May 08, 2012, 09:29:32 am »
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sorry to all for the drama, but there's just something about an execution that get my blood flowing.  they're just so...final.
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« Reply #115 on: May 08, 2012, 10:23:05 am »
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sorry to all for the drama, but there's just something about an execution that get my blood flowing.  they're just so...final.

been reading some Camus lately?
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« Reply #116 on: May 08, 2012, 01:36:09 pm »
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sorry to all for the drama, but there's just something about an execution that get my blood flowing.  they're just so...final.

been reading some Camus lately?

"For everything to be consummated, for me to feel less alone, I had only to wish that there be a large crowd of spectators the day of my execution and that they greet me with cries of hate."

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« Reply #117 on: May 08, 2012, 01:54:38 pm »
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The number of pages of this petition is catching up to the number of actual signatures on it.
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« Reply #118 on: May 08, 2012, 02:03:59 pm »
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since Inks refused to answer the question, and has gotten out his pop gun and shot a wad of 17 death points my way in the last hour...can one of you Mods suggest a place for the rest of us to formulate proposals to present to the Mods, since it appears they are not welcomed on the FC Board?
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« Reply #119 on: May 08, 2012, 04:09:03 pm »
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since Inks refused to answer the question, and has gotten out his pop gun and shot a wad of 17 death points my way in the last hour...can one of you Mods suggest a place for the rest of us to formulate proposals to present to the Mods, since it appears they are not welcomed on the FC Board?

If you have a SERIOUS proposal, post it on The Atlas board.
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« Reply #120 on: May 08, 2012, 04:29:29 pm »
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since Inks refused to answer the question, and has gotten out his pop gun and shot a wad of 17 death points my way in the last hour...can one of you Mods suggest a place for the rest of us to formulate proposals to present to the Mods, since it appears they are not welcomed on the FC Board?

If you have a SERIOUS proposal, post it on The Atlas board.

1) it was serious attempt at producing a serious proposal, and it was considered serious enough to be supported by nearly 90% of those who voiced an opinion through their votes.  And I disagreed, for the very reason of keeping it serious, with proposals to have me or opebo or MiamiU as mods of the new sub-board. 

2) But I thought the Atlas board was too "high level" and not enough "churn" (topic would have remained on first page for months) for the sausage making process of formulating a proposal, so I intended to use the FC board to get everyone's input, then take to the Atlas board if a broad consensus was reached.

3) that salvo of 17 death points, and no, I did NOT miscount them (5+3+5+4), were nothing more than an attempt to intimidate other posters (cause, obviously, they didn't intimidate me).  So you can just climb down from your DEFCON 2 posture, for no one believes you have the balls to go to DEFCON 1 and launch nukes against me.  Tongue
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« Reply #121 on: May 08, 2012, 04:32:22 pm »
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sorry to all for the drama, but there's just something about an execution that get my blood flowing.  they're just so...final.

This is an awesome post, not just because I share these views on capital punishment, but because it's coming from a Republican from Texas.
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« Reply #122 on: May 08, 2012, 04:58:38 pm »
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3) that salvo of 17 death points, and no, I did NOT miscount them (5+3+5+4), were nothing more than an attempt to intimidate other posters (cause, obviously, they didn't intimidate me).  So you can just climb down from your DEFCON 2 posture, for no one believes you have the balls to go to DEFCON 1 and launch nukes against me.  Tongue

They always give these heavy volleys of death-points about unrelated posts whenever a poster questions or criticizes them.  It has certainly happened to me.  What makes you think they wouldn't step it up to outright banning?  I'm pretty sure that's where they're headed - banning people like you and I.

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« Reply #123 on: May 08, 2012, 05:26:12 pm »
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I don't know, I think the beat-back that happened in the wake of the Inks-Deluge debacle (and the descent of Leip to address it) means that the Mods don't have the standing right now to pull off a ban of a big-name poster.  this place would absolutely erupt, at least for opebo.  jmf maybe a bit less so, but still an outcry.  doesn't mean it could not happen at a future point.
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« Reply #124 on: May 08, 2012, 05:35:58 pm »
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I don't know, I think the beat-back that happened in the wake of the Inks-Deluge debacle (and the descent of Leip to address it) means that the Mods don't have the standing right now to pull off a ban of a big-name poster.  this place would absolutely erupt, at least for opebo.  jmf maybe a bit less so, but still an outcry.  doesn't mean it could not happen at a future point.

I'm just saying it is the goal.  Authoritarianism is a process, not an immediate phenomenon.
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