SENATE BILL: The Atlasian Mountaintop Removal Ban Act (Law'd)
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« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2012, 06:16:55 PM »

Is a final vote desired here or are there amendments desired first?
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« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2012, 06:55:21 PM »

I am ready to vote.
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« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2012, 07:41:11 PM »


As am I.  I think people have pretty hardened views on this issue - goodness knows I do Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2012, 10:51:47 PM »

Again, I think this idea is great, but I'm looking for at least more of a clarification of the way we will differentiate "regular" mining from "mountaintop removal" mining.
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« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2012, 11:07:36 PM »
« Edited: May 13, 2012, 11:11:23 PM by Senator Scott »

Again, I think this idea is great, but I'm looking for at least more of a clarification of the way we will differentiate "regular" mining from "mountaintop removal" mining.

Regular/underground mining does not involve the stripping of mountaintops from their surfaces and the dumping of toxins into local water as well as radical topographical alterations that make land areas more susceptible to floodings and mudslides.  I thought this was made very clear various times.

Here is a guide on how mountaintop removal is done, for those who still don't understand.
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« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2012, 12:54:30 AM »

We should also consider legislation that would make it easier for WV to turn into a tourist destination.
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« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2012, 12:56:32 AM »

We should also consider legislation that would make it easier for WV to turn into a tourist destination.
Or let the Mideast government try that. Tongue
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« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2012, 12:19:37 PM »

Again, I think this idea is great, but I'm looking for at least more of a clarification of the way we will differentiate "regular" mining from "mountaintop removal" mining.

Regular/underground mining does not involve the stripping of mountaintops from their surfaces and the dumping of toxins into local water as well as radical topographical alterations that make land areas more susceptible to floodings and mudslides.  I thought this was made very clear various times.

Here is a guide on how mountaintop removal is done, for those who still don't understand.

So you're saying there's absolutely no way whatsoever in which the two processes can overlap?  Looking at the original formulation of the bill, for example, "topographical alteration" could be construed very broadly.  Pretty much any mining could be considered an example of topographical alteration.
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« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2012, 01:42:11 PM »
« Edited: May 14, 2012, 01:44:23 PM by Senator Scott »

Very well, then.  I will amend this bill.

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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2012, 06:58:03 PM »

Senators have 24 hours to object.


Shame I forgot to do this after entering it into the tracker on Monday. It would be done by now.
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2012, 05:25:17 PM »

The amendment has passed.


Are we done here?
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2012, 06:47:24 PM »

Yes.
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2012, 07:57:30 PM »

This bill is now at final vote, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2012, 08:02:52 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2012, 09:31:21 PM »

AYE.
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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2012, 10:02:34 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2012, 10:07:05 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2012, 10:17:11 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2012, 10:55:33 AM »

Aye
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« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2012, 02:09:33 PM »

Nay.  The assault on poor people continues.
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« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2012, 05:46:46 PM »

Nay


This has enough votes to pass, Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2012, 05:54:44 PM »

Nay FTR
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« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2012, 06:35:15 AM »

Nay, FTR.
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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2012, 10:37:26 AM »

I didn't get a chance to explain my Nay vote on Sunday, but here are a few of the reasons.

I deplore the conditions created by this procedure, but I had concerns about the economic impact of an immediate halt to such permitting. Such would best be done at a date certain down the road, like July 1st, January 1st, etc etc. There is no mention of previously issued permits and whether or not those would be upheld or tossed out later. That creates an amount of uncertainty for the companies, that could have been avoided, had it been considered. Lastly, I think a cost estimate should have be acquired from Game Modertor Shua and/or SoIA 20RP12 regarding the exact cost of implementation and whether or not enough revenue would be collected by the fines to pay for this bill.

There was more than enough time to fix of all these and I can't play Ombudsman on every single bill. This isn't Aladdin's lamp here, I have limits. Tongue
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« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2012, 10:42:29 AM »

Vote on final passage of The Atlasian Mountaintop Removal Ban Act:

Aye (6): Ben, Clarence, ILV, Sbane, Seatown and Scott
Nay (4): AndrewPA*, NC Yankee, TJ in Cleve and Wormyguy
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):

* AndrewPA technically voted 49 minutes too late but since I wouldn't change the results I am going to include it in the totals.

With six votes in the affirmative, The Atlasian Mountaintop Removal Ban Act has passed the Senate and is presented to the President for executive action.
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