NC Passes Amendment One

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Well, it's over.

Congratulations, bigots.  Maybe next you can bring back Jim Crow.

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Was there ever any real doubt as to the outcome -especially in North Carolina?  This is still the South after all. 

No, sadly.  NC still has a long way to go.

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Thank God. Maybe there's hope for this country after all.

Yup.  And we'll take our country to a time when it was great- lynchings, church burnings, beatings- hell, maybe we'll even reinstate slavery!

Because, of course, what's not straight, rich, and white- just ain't right.

PROGRESS.

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Thank God. Maybe there's hope for this country after all.

Yup.  And we'll take our country to a time when it was great- lynchings, church burnings, beatings- hell, maybe we'll even reinstate slavery!

PROGRESS.

Yes! Keep those completely ridiculous, irrelevant comparisons coming!

Ridiculous?  Irrelevant?  Give me a break.

Come out of the closet any time.

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Can't wait to see what these bigots will have to say when it's legalized nationally in their lifetime.  They won't know what hit 'em.

Maybe that will be the time to come out.

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Thank God. Maybe there's hope for this country after all.

Yup.  And we'll take our country to a time when it was great- lynchings, church burnings, beatings- hell, maybe we'll even reinstate slavery!

PROGRESS.

Yes! Keep those completely ridiculous, irrelevant comparisons coming!

Ridiculous?  Irrelevant?  Give me a break.

Come out of the closet any time.

Can you please act like an adult? He's obviously enjoying your taunting.

There isn't exactly a rational way you can deal with these types of people.

The joke's (partially) on them, too, since this amendment affects straight relationships as well.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Thank God. Maybe there's hope for this country after all.

Yup.  And we'll take our country to a time when it was great- lynchings, church burnings, beatings- hell, maybe we'll even reinstate slavery!

PROGRESS.

Yes! Keep those completely ridiculous, irrelevant comparisons coming!

Ridiculous?  Irrelevant?  Give me a break.

Come out of the closet any time.

Can you please act like an adult? He's obviously enjoying your taunting.

There isn't exactly a rational way you can deal with these types of people.

Yes! Because comparing slavery and lynchings to anti-gay marriage is TOTALLY rational!

The bigots of today aren't that different from the bigots of yesterday.  Both support restricting rights to people on account of physical traits.  I see no reason why homophobia shouldn't be compared to racism.

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

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Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

Does that mean 30% of NC voters are closet homos?

It passed by 60%.

Thank God. Maybe there's hope for this country after all.

Yup.  And we'll take our country to a time when it was great- lynchings, church burnings, beatings- hell, maybe we'll even reinstate slavery!

PROGRESS.

Yes! Keep those completely ridiculous, irrelevant comparisons coming!

Ridiculous?  Irrelevant?  Give me a break.

Come out of the closet any time.

Can you please act like an adult? He's obviously enjoying your taunting.

There isn't exactly a rational way you can deal with these types of people.

Yes! Because comparing slavery and lynchings to anti-gay marriage is TOTALLY rational!

The bigots of today aren't that different from the bigots of yesterday.  Both support restricting rights to people on account of physical traits.  I see no reason why homophobia shouldn't be compared to racism.

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

So most of the approximately 61% of North Carolinians who voted in this referendum are closeted gays. Makes sense to me!

Glad we're finally on the same page.

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Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

Does that mean 30% of NC voters are closet homos?

It passed by 60%.

You said half, so I gave the lowest possible figure to interpret your statement as reasonably as possible.

Sure, then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126957/Homophobes-attracted-sex-study-finds.html

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Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

Does that mean 30% of NC voters are closet homos?

It passed by 60%.

You said half, so I gave the lowest possible figure to interpret your statement as reasonably as possible.

Sure, then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126957/Homophobes-attracted-sex-study-finds.html

I've read the study before, but this doesn't match up with pretty much every other study on the percentage of the population that is homosexual.

Since popular opposition to gay marriage has collapsed over the last ten years, does this also mean the percentage of the population that are closeted homosexuals has also collapsed?

There are closet gays, bisexuals, and people who are unsure.  Someone who opposes gay rights aren't going to admit that they're gay.  But I love it when these self-righteous preachers are caught doing exactly what they said was wrong.

Also, today more homosexuals are eager to come out of the closet because of society's steady shift towards acceptance (this is why, I believe, tonight won't even matter in the next few decades or so).  Some people, regardless of their true orientation, can simply come to be more tolerant of same-sex marriage.  No, I don't believe that literally every opponent of same-sex marriage is gay, but it isn't wrong to suspect someone who holds that opinion of being gay or having gay emotions.

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Should the Democrats move their convention to a state that doesn't constitutionally ban existing same and opposite sex domestic partnerships?

The location of the convention is part of the strategy, so I don't think the Democrats would want to move it because of this, especially since I don't believe it has fully endorsed marriage equality, yet.

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Scott, the reason I'm pressing you on this is your response to every thread about gay marriage and every post against it is to:

1. Call the other person a bigot (or some other personal insult)
2. Call them a closeted homo (thus their opinion doesn't count)
3. Post it in the Ignorant/Absurd/Bad Post Thread

And you just posted something that is totally ridiculous: that at least 30% of NC voters are closeted homosexuals.

Well, what kinder word should I use to refer to people who think we should be denying equal rights to people on account of sexual orientation?  I have never, nor will I ever see why such an attitude should be seen more favorably than racism.

If 30% of NC voters did turn out to be closet homosexuals, then I honestly wouldn't be surprised.  I'm not saying it's true because of course I don't have scientific evidence to prove that that many people, in fact, are.  I'm merely pointing out that these studies suggest something... interesting.

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November might tell a different story in Washington, Maine and Maryland. Or maybe not.

Washington and Maine -probably.

Maryland is more iffy, due to the high proportion of evangelical black voters who are otherwise stalwart Democrats. 

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Anyone else wish to speculate? 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-poll-shows-slim-support-for-gay-marriage-20120308,0,3650775.story

Nothing's for certain, but it's positive.  I hope that tonight's results don't create momentum for the wrong side, though.

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The Kinsey study, which was conducted in the deeply-repressed* 1950s revealed that 42%(!) of men reported having sexual contact with another man to the point of orgasm.  It's fairly clear that at least partial bisexual tendencies are very common among men and that many men are deeply ashamed of that fact.  That said, the percentage of men who could be described as homosexual or homosexual-leaning bisexuals is still fairly low, probably between 5-10% including closeted ones.

*with regards to homosexuality, in general they wasn't quite as repressed as is the popular image in terms of sex.

On a related subject, as a gay man I'm somewhat uncomfortable with the whole "all you homophobes are just gay!" argument, which concerns me for two reasons:

1. By implication it accepts the homophobe's premise that being gay is an inherently bad thing.

2. It implies that the majority of gay people are closeted self-haters.


Also comparing opposing same-sex marriage to lynching is definitely excessive hyperbole and somewhat offensive.

No, wormyguy.  You took my words completely out of context.

I do not think being gay is a bad thing, I think that pretending to be something you're not and going against your own kind is.  When people vote with this type of thinking, obviously, it affects other people.

I never compared opposing same-sex marriage to lynching.  I was being entirely satirical with that comment.  But again, I don't see why anti-gay attitudes should be viewed any different than racism.

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How about "gay marriage opponents"? You know, something that gives as specific, accurate, objective description possible?

Okay.  And George Wallace wasn't racist or anything, he was just "an interracial marriage opponent."

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The Left's standard approach to convincing people to support gay marriage:

1. Call those who don't support it homophobes and bigots.
2. If that doesn't work, call them repressed homosexuals.

Maybe this isn't the best strategy.

Sorry for being realistic.

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Shua, TJ isn't your regular gay marriage opponent. He is truly malicious about it.

Their partner would not be permitted to enter my house as a partner and my child would not be permitted to see his/her partner.

Anyway the amendment is, as jfern stated, about more than just marriage.

Funny that TJ says he would treat his own child like this, and calls me a bully.

Oh heaven forbid a parent have rules they expect their children to follow!? Imagine that!

Abuse = making rules, now?  Okay.

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No, wormyguy.  You took my words completely out of context.

I do not think being gay is a bad thing, I think that pretending to be something you're not and going against your own kind is.  When people vote with this type of thinking, obviously, it affects other people.

I never compared opposing same-sex marriage to lynching.  I was being entirely satirical with that comment.  But again, I don't see why anti-gay attitudes should be viewed any different than racism.

I'm all for exposing closeted hypocrites.  What I'm not for is mocking all people opposed to same-sex marriage as "gay," since there's no solid evidence to support that and that does, in fact, imply that being gay is something worthy of mockery and derision.  I don't find that to be really positive, it's more reminiscent of 19th-century politicians accusing each other of having black ancestors.

Regarding your lynching comment, it wasn't very funny as far as satirical statements go.  I'd suggest you restrict your comedy to jokes that don't involve murder, unless they're real knee-slappers.

I already said that, didn't I?  I made an excessive hyperbole out of an article that suggests homophobia and closet homosexuality are connected.  I didn't use satire to make humor, I used it to make a point.  I fail to see where you think I implied that being gay is somehow bad, because I clearly did not say that.

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Shua, TJ isn't your regular gay marriage opponent. He is truly malicious about it.

Their partner would not be permitted to enter my house as a partner and my child would not be permitted to see his/her partner.

Anyway the amendment is, as jfern stated, about more than just marriage.

Funny that TJ says he would treat his own child like this, and calls me a bully.

Oh heaven forbid a parent have rules they expect their children to follow!? Imagine that!

Abuse = making rules, now?  Okay.

Not allowing a kid to have a gay relationship is not abuse that's a rule. If I used to to verbally attack my child or attempt to drive them into depression or lock them in their room indefinitely then it would be abuse. But I refuse to accept that expecting a child to live in sexual chastity under my own roof is abuse. That is not a concession I will ever make and if required you call the police and haul my butt into prison.

You think that keeping your kid away from someone he loves is not abuse?  Really?  You think that keeping your son away from his boyfriend- someone who could be the most selfless and kind person he's ever met- simply because he's a boy, is moral?  I can't convince you to think otherwise, but I can tell you that you definitely have a strange view of what morality is.

Anyway, as Alcon said, this thread is a trainwreck.  I am closing this.  Just PM each other, now.