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« Reply #150 on: May 10, 2012, 02:03:25 am »
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Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states.  Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times.

Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the Republicans could have exploited this issue to get more support with working class Hispanics but then you guys f'ed up with the AZ immigration law and similar laws that have been passed by Republicans across the country. Gays marrying will be less of an issue for Hispanic than one of the major parties race baiting using them to win votes. Haha, it will be fun watching you guys get punished for your bigotry.

Except that same-sex marriage is approximately as popular with Hispanic voters as it is with white voters.

Yes, after you factor in Southern whites that is probably true. The difference being those whites wouldn't vote Democrat in any case, whereas some Latino voters who oppose gay marriage probably do. There is a chance Latino voters could be turned off by this, but race baiting by the Republicans will take precedence over this issue for sure. And African Americans are so loyal to the Democrats and especially to Obama that I don't see them flipping over this either. Latinos are swing voters without strong loyalties but the idiot Republicans changed that. I hope they get punished. I really do. Bigotry must not be tolerated.
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« Reply #151 on: May 10, 2012, 02:14:30 am »
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Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states.  Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times.

Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the Republicans could have exploited this issue to get more support with working class Hispanics but then you guys f'ed up with the AZ immigration law and similar laws that have been passed by Republicans across the country. Gays marrying will be less of an issue for Hispanic than one of the major parties race baiting using them to win votes. Haha, it will be fun watching you guys get punished for your bigotry.

Except that same-sex marriage is approximately as popular with Hispanic voters as it is with white voters.

Yes, after you factor in Southern whites that is probably true. The difference being those whites wouldn't vote Democrat in any case, whereas some Latino voters who oppose gay marriage probably do. There is a chance Latino voters could be turned off by this, but race baiting by the Republicans will take precedence over this issue for sure. And African Americans are so loyal to the Democrats and especially to Obama that I don't see them flipping over this either. Latinos are swing voters without strong loyalties but the idiot Republicans changed that. I hope they get punished. I really do. Bigotry must not be tolerated.

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« Reply #152 on: May 10, 2012, 02:29:10 am »
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Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states.  Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times.

Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the Republicans could have exploited this issue to get more support with working class Hispanics but then you guys f'ed up with the AZ immigration law and similar laws that have been passed by Republicans across the country. Gays marrying will be less of an issue for Hispanic than one of the major parties race baiting using them to win votes. Haha, it will be fun watching you guys get punished for your bigotry.

Except that same-sex marriage is approximately as popular with Hispanic voters as it is with white voters.

Yes, after you factor in Southern whites that is probably true. The difference being those whites wouldn't vote Democrat in any case, whereas some Latino voters who oppose gay marriage probably do. There is a chance Latino voters could be turned off by this, but race baiting by the Republicans will take precedence over this issue for sure. And African Americans are so loyal to the Democrats and especially to Obama that I don't see them flipping over this either. Latinos are swing voters without strong loyalties but the idiot Republicans changed that. I hope they get punished. I really do. Bigotry must not be tolerated.

"A fall poll put Hispanic Catholic support of same-sex marriage at 42 approve, 42 disapprove. Hispanics as a whole havenít been polled on the question recently, but a 2009 Pew poll had the Latino community fairly evenly divided on the question of same-sex marriage, with 45 percent in favor and 49 percent opposed. And an April survey showed that 59 percent of Latinos said homosexuality should be accepted by society, but it did not ask about gay marriage specifically."

Half of all Americans backed gay marriage in the 2012 Gallupís 2012 gay marriage poll, released Tuesday. Democrats and independents drove the increase, with 65 percent of Democrats backing the practice and 57 percent of independents throwing their support behind it.

I also heard on the Ed Show tonight that 55% of whites support same-sex marriage, while 45% of African-Americans support it, but I'm not sure how accurate those numbers actually are.
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« Reply #153 on: May 10, 2012, 02:36:29 am »
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Here's the point. Of the whites who oppose gay marriage, the large majority are already voting Republican. That is not necessarily true of Latinos and certainly not true with Blacks. If Latinos are voting 2:1 or 3:1 for Obama while being split on gay marriage, obviously there is a lot of pro-Obama and anti-gay marriage overlap. The question is whether this will affect the vote of many of them, but imho it won't.
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« Reply #154 on: May 10, 2012, 02:39:20 am »
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Here's the point. Of the whites who oppose gay marriage, the large majority are already voting Republican. That is not necessarily true of Latinos and certainly not true with Blacks. If Latinos are voting 2:1 or 3:1 for Obama while being split on gay marriage, obviously there is a lot of pro-Obama and anti-gay marriage overlap. The question is whether this will affect the vote of many of them, but imho it won't.

It's very unlikely there will be any shifts in the African-American community. Turnout might be down some, but I highly doubt the % of the AA vote for Obama is going to drop more than 1-2 points. Obama - pre-evolution - probably was realistically sitting at 75% with Latinos. Even if it drops to 65%, he'll be alright. He's got plenty of leeway and he knows it.
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« Reply #155 on: May 10, 2012, 03:02:32 am »
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I highly doubt it will drop that much with Latinos. I don't think it will be more than a couple points, and that too due to decreased turnout rather than them voting for Romney. And with Blacks I suspect no change at all.
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« Reply #156 on: May 10, 2012, 03:12:59 am »
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So he finally got tired of being to the right of Andrew Cuomo?
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« Reply #157 on: May 10, 2012, 03:21:36 am »
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So he finally got tired of being to the right of Andrew Cuomo?
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« Reply #158 on: May 10, 2012, 03:34:03 am »
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« Reply #159 on: May 10, 2012, 05:05:43 am »
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« Reply #160 on: May 10, 2012, 05:29:08 am »
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This won't hurt him; most swing voters already think he supports same-sex marriage.
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« Reply #161 on: May 10, 2012, 06:53:27 am »
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Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states.  Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times.

Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the Republicans could have exploited this issue to get more support with working class Hispanics but then you guys f'ed up with the AZ immigration law and similar laws that have been passed by Republicans across the country. Gays marrying will be less of an issue for Hispanic than one of the major parties race baiting using them to win votes. Haha, it will be fun watching you guys get punished for your bigotry.

Except that same-sex marriage is approximately as popular with Hispanic voters as it is with white voters.

Yes, after you factor in Southern whites that is probably true. The difference being those whites wouldn't vote Democrat in any case, whereas some Latino voters who oppose gay marriage probably do. There is a chance Latino voters could be turned off by this, but race baiting by the Republicans will take precedence over this issue for sure. And African Americans are so loyal to the Democrats and especially to Obama that I don't see them flipping over this either. Latinos are swing voters without strong loyalties but the idiot Republicans changed that. I hope they get punished. I really do. Bigotry must not be tolerated.

"A fall poll put Hispanic Catholic support of same-sex marriage at 42 approve, 42 disapprove. Hispanics as a whole havenít been polled on the question recently, but a 2009 Pew poll had the Latino community fairly evenly divided on the question of same-sex marriage, with 45 percent in favor and 49 percent opposed. And an April survey showed that 59 percent of Latinos said homosexuality should be accepted by society, but it did not ask about gay marriage specifically."

Evenly divided, but I assume a lot of them are young, as younger people regardless of religion, ethnicity, etc. are going to be pro-gay marriage. Hispanics are younger than average of the US population so this is why you are seeing an evenly divide.
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« Reply #162 on: May 10, 2012, 07:22:09 am »
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After the election, Obama divorces Michelle and moves in with "body man" Reggie Love.

I see... that's the only reason why he'd support SSM?
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« Reply #163 on: May 10, 2012, 08:04:08 am »
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He shot himself in the foot. Every person who was an Obama support at my work today said they aren't going to vote for him and just stay home.
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« Reply #164 on: May 10, 2012, 08:18:54 am »
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He shot himself in the foot. Every person who was an Obama support at my work today said they aren't going to vote for him and just stay home.

Mm-hmm. Where do you work?
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« Reply #165 on: May 10, 2012, 08:24:16 am »
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After the election, Obama divorces Michelle and moves in with "body man" Reggie Love.

I see... that's the only reason why he'd support SSM?

No.  He also needs the money and other support he'll get now from Hollywood and the other holders of the megaphones of U.S. culture.


Oh ... I'm sorry, I clearly had the wrong idea about you. Thanks for the clarification!
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« Reply #166 on: May 10, 2012, 08:29:01 am »
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He shot himself in the foot. Every person who was an Obama support at my work today said they aren't going to vote for him and just stay home.

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« Reply #167 on: May 10, 2012, 08:31:00 am »
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« Reply #168 on: May 10, 2012, 10:49:56 am »
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Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida.
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« Reply #169 on: May 10, 2012, 10:52:57 am »
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Moral issues trump racial identity.

They....no. They really don't.

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This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure.

How many times must we remind you that Hispanics support gay marriage at about the same rate as whites? Are you really laboring under the delusion that Obama will sink below ~92% with blacks on account of this?!

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« Reply #170 on: May 10, 2012, 10:53:58 am »
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Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida.
If millions of pro-life evangelical African-Americans have been able to vote for Obama in spite of his being pro-choice, what makes you think same-sex marriage will be any different?
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« Reply #171 on: May 10, 2012, 11:26:19 am »
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Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida.

LOL. LOL. LOLOLOLOL.

The fact remains, social class (which, in America, includes race, religion,  income, gender, sexual orientation, and education to a lesser extent) is the strongest predictor of partisan preference. This has been consistent throughout American history.

 

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« Reply #172 on: May 10, 2012, 11:29:47 am »
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Moral issues trump racial identity.

And you know all about that as a member of which minority?
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The Constitution Party minority, clearly.
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