Obama Backs Gay Marriage!

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The bigots in this thread who think this hurts Obama are funny.

no of course not. the youths will hold their noses and young people already were firmly in his column.

I've lost count of the number of moderately conservative/centrist ex-Republicans I've encountered, either as Independents or Democrats.

The most common reason for the "ex" designation?

Answer: The Religious Right or "religious extremists", etc.

These are the swing voters Romney desperately needs to win. The Religious Right peaked in its influence, and is actually, in many ways, in decline. This may be Santorum's Republican Party, but this sure as hell ain't Santorum's America.

For every fundamentalist Christian voter that votes against Obama, a Democrat and a swing voter vote against Romney. And with the economy holding ground, Romney's history of gaffes ("Even Jimmy Carter would have made that order", etc.), Romney's complete lack of connection with the common people, plus his unreliable messaging and perceived indifference to issues like women's rights or the plight of the lower and middle class Americans, not to mention Romney's myriad problems with his own party, I think Obama made a political masterstroke as well as a strong moral statement with his endorsement of same sex marriage.

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wow that joke went over your head. ill give you a hint: the media uses it as a euphemism lately.

Oops, sorry.

But at least I got a good post in, no?

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I'm honestly a little stunned he did it so soon.

I think the dems here need to be realistic about the possible risks to Obama from this position, however, he wouldn't have made such a move unless the risks had been considered.

I was a little worried about the potential downsides, too - doesn't really matter if he supports gay marriage if it loses him re-election and Mitt Romney passes a constitutional amendment to ban it federally - but polls show large majorities thought Obama backed it anyway, so I'm hopeful it won't have much negative impact politically.

It could also be that they're giving the Republicans enough rope to hang themselves with-Obama had to have known that this would really  fire up the Christian Warrior Troops of the GOP against him.

But since Romney is seen as being a "moderate" by some Independents, the Religious Right rallying to Romney's side will make Independents (who generally detest the religious side of the Republican Party) more wary of Romney.

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The brief bump existed primarily because gay marriage had never really been a major issue in American politics ever before in that same way, and 60% of Americans were already on the opposing side to begin with. It was a new issue, and a different time.

The issue has existed in American politics (and popular culture more broadly) since then, and has grown more and more against the conservative position, where now it's safer and safer to say that a national majority is in favor of it, or the country is at least evenly divided. On every issue of minority rights it's always easy to run against it, but there's diminishing returns, and we're no longer at the point where you can scare two thirds of the country against it. The turning point has been reached.

+1 million. IMO, Romney's only hope now is that the economy crashes again (which is a horrible thing for anyone to hope for, come to think of it...)

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Obama doesn't need to accuse Romney of being a flip flopper - the narrative is already there, and firmly ingrained in the public consciousness.  Obama has already had 'evolving' positions on a number of issues (FISA, health care mandate), and the label doesn't stick.

Obama hasn't really "flip flopped" the way Romney has. Romney has done complete 180s on a number of issues, throughout his political career. And it's so obviously for political expedience in his case.

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The King of all Flip Flops.

trololol

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Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida.

LOL. LOL. LOLOLOLOL.

The fact remains, social class (which, in America, includes race, religion,  income, gender, sexual orientation, and education to a lesser extent) is the strongest predictor of partisan preference. This has been consistent throughout American history.

 

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Moral issues trump racial identity.

And you know all about that as a member of which minority?

The Constitution Party minority, clearly.

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Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida.

Racial identity? You do realize its the Republicans who have going on a racist/xenophobic crusade in places like Arizona and Alabama? It will be fun to watch you guys get punished.

This is the same party, keep in mind, that talks about "Chicago thugs" and "illegals taking our jobs".