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Hubert Humphrey in 1968 (63% compared to 33% for Nixon) did better in Massachusetts than home-stater John F. Kennedy in 1960 (60% compared to 40% for Nixon). Why?
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Quote from: True Conservative on May 11, 2012, 01:04:58 pm
Hubert Humphrey in 1968 (63% compared to 33% for Nixon) did better in Massachusetts than home-stater John F. Kennedy in 1960 (60% compared to 40% for Nixon). Why?
Lingering sympathy vote due to the JFK assassination. Never really went away, that's what changed MA from a D-leaning swing state to safe Democratic.
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Quote from: Senator wormyguy on May 11, 2012, 01:07:03 pm
Quote from: True Conservative on May 11, 2012, 01:04:58 pm
Hubert Humphrey in 1968 (63% compared to 33% for Nixon) did better in Massachusetts than home-stater John F. Kennedy in 1960 (60% compared to 40% for Nixon). Why?
Lingering sympathy vote due to the JFK assassination. Never really went away, that's what changed MA from a D-leaning swing state to safe Democratic.
Plus, Nixon ran a more moderate campaign in 1960 vs 1968, and I'm guessing that Catholics increased as a percentage of the population in those eight years.
Also, a lot of people in MA (including moderate/liberal WASP Republicans) were dovish on Vietnam.
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Re: Massachusetts 1968 vs. 1960
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Quote from: Progressive Realist on May 11, 2012, 01:12:32 pm
Plus, Nixon ran a more moderate campaign in 1960 vs 1968, and I'm guessing that
Catholics increased as a percentage of the population in those eight years.
Uh, no. WASPs probably decreased though.
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Also, a lot of people in MA (including moderate/liberal WASP Republicans) were dovish on Vietnam.
Nixon was perceived as more dovish on Vietnam than Humphrey (if only because of the LBJ connection). I believe it's the only time my New-Dealer and quite pacifist grandfather voted Republican.
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Quote from: Senator wormyguy on May 11, 2012, 01:15:23 pm
Quote from: Progressive Realist on May 11, 2012, 01:12:32 pm
Plus, Nixon ran a more moderate campaign in 1960 vs 1968, and I'm guessing that
Catholics increased as a percentage of the population in those eight years.
Uh, no. WASPs probably decreased though.
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Also, a lot of people in MA (including moderate/liberal WASP Republicans) were dovish on Vietnam.
Nixon was perceived as more dovish on Vietnam than Humphrey (if only because of the LBJ connection). I believe it's the only time my New-Dealer and quite pacifist grandfather voted Republican.
Ah, ok.
Perhaps it also helped the Democrats in MA in 68 that Bobby Kennedy was murdered that year, and Ted was a Senator (in addition to the JFK sympathy vote)?
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Quote from: Progressive Realist on May 11, 2012, 01:22:53 pm
Perhaps it also helped the Democrats in MA in 68 that Bobby Kennedy was murdered that year,
Yes, that definitely helped.
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and Ted was a Senator (in addition to the JFK sympathy vote)?
Marginal effect, but Ted's endorsement certainly shored up Humphrey somewhat with Catholics and liberals.
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Hard to say for sure; Massachusetts seems to have been really moving towards the Ds at this time (see 1964 or 1972, also). As Al and others have pointed out, 1968 was very much a class-based election in a way that US politics basically hasn't been since, which may have played somewhat of a factor.
Lodge might have helped Nixon a bit in 1960, plus Eisenhower was pretty popular in MA as evidenced by the 1956 result in particular.
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There was never a doubt that the Kennedys would endorse the democratic nominee in 1968. Even before the California primary, Bobby was speaking kindly for Hubert Humphrey.
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I don't know if it had an impact, but Cabot Lodge was Nixon's running mate in 1960.
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Quote from: Enfin ! on May 13, 2012, 06:54:38 am
I don't know if it had an impact, but Cabot Lodge was Nixon's running mate in 1960.
According the results (Kennedy won 60% in 1960) it seems that it helped the Republicans keep the five WASPs who were still in Massachusetts
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Quote from: Enfin ! on May 13, 2012, 06:54:38 am
I don't know if it had an impact, but Cabot Lodge was Nixon's running mate in 1960.
Normally I'd say just the same, but having a Bay Stater as running mate would probably be outweighed by the other party having a Bay Stater as presidential nominee. Further, I think Henry Cabot Lodge was actually unseated by JFK in 1952 (although the margin wasn't large, admittedly).
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Quote from: True Conservative on May 14, 2012, 01:30:56 pm
Quote from: Enfin ! on May 13, 2012, 06:54:38 am
I don't know if it had an impact, but Cabot Lodge was Nixon's running mate in 1960.
Normally I'd say just the same, but having a Bay Stater as running mate would probably be outweighed by the other party having a Bay Stater as presidential nominee. Further, I think Henry Cabot Lodge was actually unseated by JFK in 1952 (although the margin wasn't large, admittedly).
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