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Life in prison without parole   -6 (18.2%)
Death Penalty   -3 (9.1%)
50 years serve in prison   -3 (9.1%)
rehabilitation   -21 (63.6%)
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« on: May 13, 2012, 01:55:29 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2012, 02:19:02 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2012, 02:51:09 pm »
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somewhere between options 3 and 4, I suppose.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2012, 03:02:56 pm »
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Is he killing the cop in self defense...an accident?  You said "kill" not "murder", but your options make it seem like you meant "murder".... so it's a little confusing.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2012, 04:29:46 pm »
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Is he killing the cop in self defense...an accident?  You said "kill" not "murder", but your options make it seem like you meant "murder".... so it's a little confusing.


This 13 year is murdering the cop in self defense for what a cop did to him on the weekend. Some town cop was out on the streets and suddenly talks over with this 13 year with why the kid was walking on the streets at 11:30 at night in his small city. Then the 13 year old talks trash and the cop suddenly goes Rodney King on the kid. This marks the revenge for the 13 year old. On that Monday, two days later after the cop brutality treatment of the 13 year old, the 13 year old swiftly stabs a cop right in the stomach four minutes before school started. The cop dies afterwards and the 13 year old is arrested for assaulted murder of a police officer.
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2012, 04:34:24 pm »
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This clearly lacks poll options.

Realistically, I'd say 10-20 years with parole would make sense.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2012, 04:52:18 pm »
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This clearly lacks poll options.





I think the weakness of the poll is due to this. I could have added more opinion while I was creating the poll.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2012, 05:03:27 pm »
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Lunchtime detention while he writes out 200 times "I will not stab police officers..."
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2012, 05:10:38 pm »
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2012, 05:20:38 pm »
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Answered the poll without reading the thread.

If it had been murder, then the death penalty (and not because the victim was a cop).

However, what was described in the thread doesn't meet any reasonable standard for murder for adults, let alone juveniles.  It's also unclear whether the cop he stabbed was the same who went Rodney Duke on him.  (Since the kid was able to go to school two days later, it appears what he suffered doesn't rank high enough to be called a King.)  At most 20 years, at minimum juvenile detention until he graduates high school or is 21, whichever comes first.
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2012, 05:21:28 pm »
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I believe that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2012, 05:27:50 pm »
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We are talking about a child here. No child should be sentenced to 10-20 years in prison. 5 years in a juvenile detention center would be enough.
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2012, 05:33:42 pm »
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This also happens right before his birthday that is in 3 weeks fyi. And also the cop is the same guy who abuse the teen.
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I believe that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2012, 07:20:33 pm »
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Is he killing the cop in self defense...an accident?  You said "kill" not "murder", but your options make it seem like you meant "murder".... so it's a little confusing.


This 13 year is murdering the cop in self defense for what a cop did to him on the weekend. Some town cop was out on the streets and suddenly talks over with this 13 year with why the kid was walking on the streets at 11:30 at night in his small city. Then the 13 year old talks trash and the cop suddenly goes Rodney King on the kid. This marks the revenge for the 13 year old. On that Monday, two days later after the cop brutality treatment of the 13 year old, the 13 year old swiftly stabs a cop right in the stomach four minutes before school started. The cop dies afterwards and the 13 year old is arrested for assaulted murder of a police officer.

Oh, well now that you spelled out the circumstances of the crime I would have voted rehabilitation.  Would have been nice if you had this in your opening post. 

When I first read the poll I just assumed it was a random, unprovoked attack.   
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2012, 07:31:37 pm »
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Where did you come up with this scenario?
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2012, 07:45:39 pm »
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An extra homework sheet.

Seriously: probably rehabiliation.
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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2012, 08:14:12 pm »
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You can't "murder" somebody in self defense and you can't play the self defense card two days after the fact (with a few exceptions and this ain't one of 'em).  Of the options listed, I vote 50 years (but not a "hard" 50...the kind of 50 that gets you out in 7.5 years of "good behavior"...plus, this kid is a cop killer....at 13....with a knife kill...he is going to be god in juvy)



(and what kind of moron talks sh**t to a cop especially when you two are the only people around late at night, but this isn't my main issue)
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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2012, 08:19:57 pm »
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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2012, 12:13:23 am »
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Is he killing the cop in self defense...an accident?  You said "kill" not "murder", but your options make it seem like you meant "murder".... so it's a little confusing.


This 13 year is murdering the cop in self defense for what a cop did to him on the weekend. Some town cop was out on the streets and suddenly talks over with this 13 year with why the kid was walking on the streets at 11:30 at night in his small city. Then the 13 year old talks trash and the cop suddenly goes Rodney King on the kid. This marks the revenge for the 13 year old. On that Monday, two days later after the cop brutality treatment of the 13 year old, the 13 year old swiftly stabs a cop right in the stomach four minutes before school started. The cop dies afterwards and the 13 year old is arrested for assaulted murder of a police officer.

He would get about 5 to 10 years in Austria.
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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2012, 01:27:06 am »
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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2012, 03:33:46 am »
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Is he killing the cop in self defense...an accident?  You said "kill" not "murder", but your options make it seem like you meant "murder".... so it's a little confusing.


This 13 year is murdering the cop in self defense for what a cop did to him on the weekend. Some town cop was out on the streets and suddenly talks over with this 13 year with why the kid was walking on the streets at 11:30 at night in his small city. Then the 13 year old talks trash and the cop suddenly goes Rodney King on the kid. This marks the revenge for the 13 year old. On that Monday, two days later after the cop brutality treatment of the 13 year old, the 13 year old swiftly stabs a cop right in the stomach four minutes before school started. The cop dies afterwards and the 13 year old is arrested for assaulted murder of a police officer.

He would get about 5 to 10 years in Austria.

He wouldn't get any criminal punishment in Germany. Strafmündigkeit begins at age 14.
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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2012, 03:36:11 am »
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Is he killing the cop in self defense...an accident?  You said "kill" not "murder", but your options make it seem like you meant "murder".... so it's a little confusing.


This 13 year is murdering the cop in self defense for what a cop did to him on the weekend. Some town cop was out on the streets and suddenly talks over with this 13 year with why the kid was walking on the streets at 11:30 at night in his small city. Then the 13 year old talks trash and the cop suddenly goes Rodney King on the kid. This marks the revenge for the 13 year old. On that Monday, two days later after the cop brutality treatment of the 13 year old, the 13 year old swiftly stabs a cop right in the stomach four minutes before school started. The cop dies afterwards and the 13 year old is arrested for assaulted murder of a police officer.

He would get about 5 to 10 years in Austria.

He wouldn't get any criminal punishment in Germany. Strafmündigkeit begins at age 14.

Ah, yeah. He's only 13, so no punishment for him in Austria too.

Just checked it, 14 years for Strafmündigkeit here as well.
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2012, 08:44:14 am »
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So, huh, you can do anything you want if you're 13 and under?  I hope you at least miss a week of school if you murder a dozen of your classmates.
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