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« on: May 14, 2012, 09:09:39 pm »
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It seems like she's done just about everything you're not supposed to do as a jr member of congress and someone the MNGOP would want to primary. It surprises me, given the overall makeup of the district, that she even won the primary initially. Isn't her district, SES-wise similar to the Ramstad district?
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2012, 09:47:15 pm »
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Don't underestimate the sheer electoral power of conservative churches. Especially in a GOP primary.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2012, 10:44:55 pm »
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It seems like she's done just about everything you're not supposed to do as a jr member of congress and someone the MNGOP would want to primary. It surprises me, given the overall makeup of the district, that she even won the primary initially. Isn't her district, SES-wise similar to the Ramstad district?

No, not at all. MN-03 is mostly affluent, upper-middle class suburbs, at least those are the areas that vote Republican. MN-06 is mostly working class exurbs.

Also our convention system benefits more conservative candidates in the GOP primary (and more liberal ones in the DFL one.) That's her biggest benefit.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2012, 11:14:49 pm »
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It seems like she's done just about everything you're not supposed to do as a jr member of congress and someone the MNGOP would want to primary. It surprises me, given the overall makeup of the district, that she even won the primary initially. Isn't her district, SES-wise similar to the Ramstad district?
MN-06 is mostly working class exurbs.

I thought that most exurbs are wealthy. I think of a place like Frisco, TX as an example.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2012, 11:30:59 pm »
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That's not an exurb. It's closer to downtown Dallas than downtown Fort Worth is.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2012, 12:01:20 am »
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It seems like she's done just about everything you're not supposed to do as a jr member of congress and someone the MNGOP would want to primary. It surprises me, given the overall makeup of the district, that she even won the primary initially. Isn't her district, SES-wise similar to the Ramstad district?
MN-06 is mostly working class exurbs.

I thought that most exurbs are wealthy. I think of a place like Frisco, TX as an example.

No exurbs are where you have cheap land away from the problems of the city. They usually aren't wealthy though not always working class either. California of course has it's share of working class exurbs like Lancaster, Palmdale, Hesperia, Victorville, Moreno Valley, Yucaipa etc. These are different places than a place like Diamond Bar or Yorba Linda or Laguna Niguel which are more established suburbs. And have a much higher income.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2012, 12:05:42 am »
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These are the type of places in her district that vote for her:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Oak-Grove-Minnesota.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Elk-River-Minnesota.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Buffalo-Minnesota.html

Now I know they might look relatively high income, but consider that they have a much higher rate of married couples who are filing jointly. Note the education rates. It's not too surprising that someone with a college degree is much less likely to vote for someone like Michele Bachmann.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2012, 01:00:44 am »
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It seems like she's done just about everything you're not supposed to do as a jr member of congress and someone the MNGOP would want to primary. It surprises me, given the overall makeup of the district, that she even won the primary initially. Isn't her district, SES-wise similar to the Ramstad district?
MN-06 is mostly working class exurbs.

I thought that most exurbs are wealthy. I think of a place like Frisco, TX as an example.

Frisco, Texas is the sort of place where you still see Bush reelection stickers on cars, including cars that were made well after the 2004 election.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2012, 02:00:42 am »
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These are the type of places in her district that vote for her:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Oak-Grove-Minnesota.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Elk-River-Minnesota.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Buffalo-Minnesota.html

Now I know they might look relatively high income, but consider that they have a much higher rate of married couples who are filing jointly. Note the education rates. It's not too surprising that someone with a college degree is much less likely to vote for someone like Michele Bachmann.

I lived in Central Iowa until jr high. Would an area like Waukee, Grimes or Norwalk (sort of semi-rural, semi-suburban towns on the outskirts of the Des Moines area) be similar to the towns you mentioned above?
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2012, 04:15:45 pm »
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These are the type of places in her district that vote for her:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Oak-Grove-Minnesota.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Elk-River-Minnesota.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Buffalo-Minnesota.html

Now I know they might look relatively high income, but consider that they have a much higher rate of married couples who are filing jointly. Note the education rates. It's not too surprising that someone with a college degree is much less likely to vote for someone like Michele Bachmann.

I lived in Central Iowa until jr high. Would an area like Waukee, Grimes or Norwalk (sort of semi-rural, semi-suburban towns on the outskirts of the Des Moines area) be similar to the towns you mentioned above?

More to the point, and a much better explanation of why she keeps getting reelected, is that THIS is the type of place in her district that votes for her: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/one-towns-war-on-gay-teens-20120202. While it looks like Bachmann actually lost the town of Anoka by a slim margin, she still won Anoka county.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2012, 10:52:19 pm »
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FWIW, the policy described in the article has now been repealed, and was almost unanimously. And Anoka County normally wouldn't elect people like Bachmann, but the district lacks the appendage that runs down to Minneapolis (which is quite Democratic) and the town of Coon Rapids (a swing area that wouldn't vote for her.) Bachmann's support mostly comes further out places like Tom Emmer's home county of Wright, and Sherburne which famously used to elect a State Rep who compared Democrats blocking the gay marriage amendment to communist persecution of Christians, and was primaried after being arrested and convicted for beating his wife with the Bible (like literally. He'd strike and toss Bibles at her.) Sherburne County is also home to a car dealership know for its sign which frequently changes to random Bible verses, and Wright County is formerly home to this bank which was later shut down by state regulators in 2009.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2012, 12:33:43 am »
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FWIW, the policy described in the article has now been repealed, and was almost unanimously. And Anoka County normally wouldn't elect people like Bachmann, but the district lacks the appendage that runs down to Minneapolis (which is quite Democratic) and the town of Coon Rapids (a swing area that wouldn't vote for her.) Bachmann's support mostly comes further out places like Tom Emmer's home county of Wright, and Sherburne which famously used to elect a State Rep who compared Democrats blocking the gay marriage amendment to communist persecution of Christians, and was primaried after being arrested and convicted for beating his wife with the Bible (like literally. He'd strike and toss Bibles at her.) Sherburne County is also home to a car dealership know for its sign which frequently changes to random Bible verses, and Wright County is formerly home to this bank which was later shut down by state regulators in 2009.

I'm surprised of the whole fundie influence in that neck of the woods. According to this link, it doesn't seem that there aren't too many of them.
http://kindredblood.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/bible_belt_map_baptist.gif

I'm sure if you lived in Tom Price or John Culberson's district you wouldn't think Bachmann's district was that bad a place.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2012, 12:48:24 am »
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...there are fundamentalists that aren't Baptists. Nor are all Baptists fundamentalists or like Southern Baptists, (St. Paul's trendsetting, influential and decidedly progressive House of Mercy church started as an American Baptist affiliate.)

Our conservative evangelicals are mostly conservative Lutherans (LCMS and WELS), Assembly of God, and some non-denominational megachurch type places (most of which are basically Baptist in theology but don't affiliate with any Baptist group and won't show up on the map). Remember that according to the exit poll in 2008, 29% of voters in Minnesota identified as white evangelicals, and though Obama won a surprisingly large 35% of them, that was no doubt quite a bit lower in Bachmann's district (liberal evangelicals in the actual Twin Cities are not uncommon at all.)
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2012, 01:33:39 am »
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..because she's crazy and her constituents are crazy?
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2012, 02:08:00 pm »
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It seems like she's done just about everything you're not supposed to do as a jr member of congress and someone the MNGOP would want to primary. It surprises me, given the overall makeup of the district, that she even won the primary initially. Isn't her district, SES-wise similar to the Ramstad district?

No, not at all. MN-03 is mostly affluent, upper-middle class suburbs, at least those are the areas that vote Republican. MN-06 is mostly working class exurbs.

Yep.  Bachmann probably wouldn't've gotten nominated in the first place in MN-03; she's the wrong kind of Republican for us.
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