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« Reply #550 on: September 18, 2012, 02:20:07 pm »
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The only ignorant thing there was in thinking Phil wouldn't overreact, considering his past reactions to forum events...

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« Reply #551 on: September 18, 2012, 02:22:40 pm »
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1) There is in fact no such tradition. The previous Deluge was locked by the OP, not by a moderator.

2) Thinking that nobody would care about the closing of an Atlas Forum institution is absurd.
There was such a tradition for the Goldmines. This is why they were eventually superceded by the Institute, which is eternal and will never close.
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« Reply #552 on: September 18, 2012, 02:25:44 pm »

The only ignorant thing there was in thinking Phil wouldn't overreact, considering his past reactions to forum events...

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It's truth.  You argued with me that someone had hacked your tinypic link when even the administrators at tinypic told me that what you were describing was impossible.
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« Reply #553 on: September 18, 2012, 02:26:18 pm »

1) There is in fact no such tradition. The previous Deluge was locked by the OP, not by a moderator.

2) Thinking that nobody would care about the closing of an Atlas Forum institution is absurd.
There was such a tradition for the Goldmines. This is why they were eventually superceded by the Institute, which is eternal and will never close.

Oh, well apparently I missed that discussion.
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« Reply #554 on: September 18, 2012, 02:30:26 pm »
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1) There is in fact no such tradition. The previous Deluge was locked by the OP, not by a moderator.

2) Thinking that nobody would care about the closing of an Atlas Forum institution is absurd.
There was such a tradition for the Goldmines. This is why they were eventually superceded by the Institute, which is eternal and will never close.

Oh, well apparently I missed that discussion.
Oh, I don't recall any such discussion either. I am just stating the apparent facts to a n00b who probably can't remember the Goldmines. The Institute has I think (I may be mistaken) been around longer now than any of the Goldmines ever lasted despite the occasional fistfights in its Hallowed Halls.
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« Reply #555 on: September 18, 2012, 02:32:06 pm »

1) There is in fact no such tradition. The previous Deluge was locked by the OP, not by a moderator.

2) Thinking that nobody would care about the closing of an Atlas Forum institution is absurd.
There was such a tradition for the Goldmines. This is why they were eventually superceded by the Institute, which is eternal and will never close.

Oh, well apparently I missed that discussion.
Oh, I don't recall any such discussion either. I am just stating the apparent facts to a n00b who probably can't remember the Goldmines. The Institute has I think (I may be mistaken) been around longer now than any of the Goldmines ever lasted despite the occasional fistfights in its Hallowed Halls.

I don't know if it's been around longer (that was actually one of the things I looked at when I locked it was how long these things normally last), but it had more pages than all of the ones I clicked, so I figured it was fine to start a new one.
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« Reply #556 on: September 18, 2012, 03:00:10 pm »
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These threads have been closed at least like 16 times.  Why is keeping the current thread open such a big deal?

What, did you forget the reaction the last time you tried to pull this bullinks?
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« Reply #557 on: September 18, 2012, 03:05:16 pm »

These threads have been closed at least like 16 times.  Why is keeping the current thread open such a big deal?

What, did you forget the reaction the last time you tried to pull this bullinks?

Which was?
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« Reply #558 on: September 18, 2012, 03:09:59 pm »

If you're referencing locking the Deluge, then read my post in the Goldmine:

I'm doubled over at this idea that Inks was going to bow to the very first hint of public displeasure as if he always does that. Cheesy

There's no precedent for what I did here.  What I did was not an action out of a Terms of Service moderation, but merely what I understood to be unofficial forum precedent.  Once I would've realized that my understanding of how the goldmine worked wasn't the same as everyone else's, I would've undone what I did, since I wasn't acted under the TOS, but acting under the rules that had previously guided the goldmines.

Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant, because I know I'm right, since you can't know my thought process.

I didn't lock the Institute because I thouht it violated the TOS.  I deleted a page worth of TOS violations and thought that at that point, the thread had run its course and it was time for a new one.

In locking the Deluge, it was my belief at the time that it should be permanently locked.

Why would I think people would flip out over a new comedy goldmine being started?
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« Reply #559 on: September 18, 2012, 03:35:26 pm »
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If you're referencing locking the Deluge, then read my post in the Goldmine:

I'm doubled over at this idea that Inks was going to bow to the very first hint of public displeasure as if he always does that. Cheesy

There's no precedent for what I did here.  What I did was not an action out of a Terms of Service moderation, but merely what I understood to be unofficial forum precedent.  Once I would've realized that my understanding of how the goldmine worked wasn't the same as everyone else's, I would've undone what I did, since I wasn't acted under the TOS, but acting under the rules that had previously guided the goldmines.

Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant, because I know I'm right, since you can't know my thought process.

I didn't lock the Institute because I thouht it violated the TOS.  I deleted a page worth of TOS violations and thought that at that point, the thread had run its course and it was time for a new one.

In locking the Deluge, it was my belief at the time that it should be permanently locked.

Why would I think people would flip out over a new comedy goldmine being started?

That's entirely beside the point. What matters is that you seem to think that a longstanding forum institution (the Deluge bzw. the Institute) can be locked on no other grounds than "it was getting annoying to moderate." If you think there is too much material to moderate, step down and let someone else be moderator. It's that simple.
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« Reply #560 on: September 18, 2012, 03:36:59 pm »
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You all take this sort of thing much too seriously; the forum is a hallowed ground of procrastination, not a matter of life and death. Please consider investing in lives.
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« Reply #561 on: September 18, 2012, 03:40:32 pm »
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The hits keep coming. Inks brushed off my suggestion earlier that he just delete the questionable comments in thread (because it would result in a whole page being deleted) instead of locking the thread. Now he's acting like it was part of his plan all along. Brilliant performance.

I love it when a brat gets caught overstepping their bounds and is feverishly back peddling.
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« Reply #562 on: September 18, 2012, 03:44:50 pm »

The hits keep coming. Inks brushed off my suggestion earlier that he just delete the questionable comments in thread (because it would result in a whole page being deleted) instead of locking the thread. Now he's acting like it was part of his plan all along. Brilliant performance.

I love it when a brat gets caught overstepping their bounds and is feverishly back peddling.

No, when you suggested that, I had already deleted the posts...
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« Reply #563 on: September 18, 2012, 03:46:21 pm »

If you're referencing locking the Deluge, then read my post in the Goldmine:

I'm doubled over at this idea that Inks was going to bow to the very first hint of public displeasure as if he always does that. Cheesy

There's no precedent for what I did here.  What I did was not an action out of a Terms of Service moderation, but merely what I understood to be unofficial forum precedent.  Once I would've realized that my understanding of how the goldmine worked wasn't the same as everyone else's, I would've undone what I did, since I wasn't acted under the TOS, but acting under the rules that had previously guided the goldmines.

Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant, because I know I'm right, since you can't know my thought process.

I didn't lock the Institute because I thouht it violated the TOS.  I deleted a page worth of TOS violations and thought that at that point, the thread had run its course and it was time for a new one.

In locking the Deluge, it was my belief at the time that it should be permanently locked.

Why would I think people would flip out over a new comedy goldmine being started?

That's entirely beside the point. What matters is that you seem to think that a longstanding forum institution (the Deluge bzw. the Institute) can be locked on no other grounds than "it was getting annoying to moderate." If you think there is too much material to moderate, step down and let someone else be moderator. It's that simple.

I didn't simply close it because it was getting annoying to moderate.  I closed it because it was getting annoying to moderate AND because when fights like these break out in previous Goldmines, that's the point that a new one starts.

Without that second half of the sentence, I wouldn't have locked the thread, and that's what you're not understanding.
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« Reply #564 on: September 18, 2012, 03:49:40 pm »
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I don't think the original goldmines were ever locked when they were exhausted... someone just started a new one. This was in the days before nannymoderators.
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« Reply #565 on: September 18, 2012, 03:50:52 pm »
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The answer, I believe, is actually none because they have better things to do with their time than dance on a pinhead.
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« Reply #566 on: September 18, 2012, 03:51:22 pm »
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Inks, you made a statement that you didn't lock the thread because it violated the ToS. Yet you quite clearly told me that you locked it because I was "an ass publicly on the forum and that's a violation of the ToS."

Care to explain why you're lying here?
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« Reply #567 on: September 18, 2012, 03:51:56 pm »

Speaking of getting caught, Phil, I'm awaiting your response.  You never have conceded the Tinypic point after what, a year now?

The only ignorant thing there was in thinking Phil wouldn't overreact, considering his past reactions to forum events...

Reported as a personal attack.

It's truth.  You argued with me that someone had hacked your tinypic link when even the administrators at tinypic told me that what you were describing was impossible.
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« Reply #568 on: September 18, 2012, 03:53:12 pm »
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Speaking of getting caught, Phil, I'm awaiting your response.  You never have conceded the Tinypic point after what, a year now?

The only ignorant thing there was in thinking Phil wouldn't overreact, considering his past reactions to forum events...

Reported as a personal attack.

It's truth.  You argued with me that someone had hacked your tinypic link when even the administrators at tinypic told me that what you were describing was impossible.

LOL! This is perfect. This is how I know we got you backed into a corner. Thanks, Inks. For real. Thank you.
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« Reply #569 on: September 18, 2012, 03:55:23 pm »

Inks, you made a statement that you didn't lock the thread because it violated the ToS. Yet you quite clearly told me that you locked it because I was "an ass publicly on the forum and that's a violation of the ToS."

Care to explain why you're lying here?

That was not the PM I sent.  That sentence had nothing to do with the locking of the Goldmine.

For context, I'll post the whole PM:

Inks, get over yourself and get laid.

"I don't take orders from you."

Oh! Very serious moderator man! You are in charge! Yes sir!

You decide to threaten me ("...and your threads might stay open in the future")? Great. You've gotten your war now. I'm staying on this until the thread is unlocked and/or you're removed as a moderator. You seriously need to get a life, dude.

P.S. - Glad you delete other threads when personal attacks are directed my way.  Roll Eyes

It's not a threat.  It's a simple principle.  Be an ass publicly on the forum, and that's against the Terms of Service.

I delete threads when personal attacks are directed your way, and I deleted and infracted the post in the thread that you reported.

Dude, it's time to grow up and stop being an Internet drama queen.  Not only is it immature, but you're going to regret it when sh**t like this surfaces when you run for office.  Not everybody is as cordial to your trolling as I am - look at how much attention the liberals on the site paid attention to DWTL's election when he ran.  Do you really want some of the stuff you've said on this forum public?

Come on man - just be civil.

"You've gotten your war now" - that's Jr. High stuff.  Anybody who starts a war in an Internet forum has no place to tell someone to "get a life".
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« Reply #570 on: September 18, 2012, 04:20:44 pm »
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I just love the Inks vs Phil fights. They are just delicious Wink
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« Reply #571 on: September 18, 2012, 04:56:06 pm »
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A good argument could be made for banning all libertarians:

One of the top 3 presidents ever, easily. Vietnam is a huge black mark but overshadowed by the 1964 CRA, the 1965 VRA, Medicare, and the Great Society.

Nah. Lincoln is clearly #1 (though I can understand non-Americans liking FDR), while #2 and #3 go to FDR and Washington. Fourth and fifth are tougher, but I'd go with Teddy and Harry.

You never fail to amuse me with your comically backwards presidential rankings.
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« Reply #572 on: September 18, 2012, 05:09:40 pm »
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Inks, you made a statement that you didn't lock the thread because it violated the ToS. Yet you quite clearly told me that you locked it because I was "an ass publicly on the forum and that's a violation of the ToS."

Care to explain why you're lying here?

That was not the PM I sent.  That sentence had nothing to do with the locking of the Goldmine.

For context, I'll post the whole PM:

Inks, get over yourself and get laid.

"I don't take orders from you."

Oh! Very serious moderator man! You are in charge! Yes sir!

You decide to threaten me ("...and your threads might stay open in the future")? Great. You've gotten your war now. I'm staying on this until the thread is unlocked and/or you're removed as a moderator. You seriously need to get a life, dude.

P.S. - Glad you delete other threads when personal attacks are directed my way.  Roll Eyes

It's not a threat.  It's a simple principle.  Be an ass publicly on the forum, and that's against the Terms of Service.

I delete threads when personal attacks are directed your way, and I deleted and infracted the post in the thread that you reported.

Dude, it's time to grow up and stop being an Internet drama queen.  Not only is it immature, but you're going to regret it when sh**t like this surfaces when you run for office.  Not everybody is as cordial to your trolling as I am - look at how much attention the liberals on the site paid attention to DWTL's election when he ran.  Do you really want some of the stuff you've said on this forum public?

Come on man - just be civil.

"You've gotten your war now" - that's Jr. High stuff.  Anybody who starts a war in an Internet forum has no place to tell someone to "get a life".

Did you just post my private message? Enjoy your final hours as a moderator.
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« Reply #573 on: September 18, 2012, 05:13:32 pm »

Phil, you posted my private message out of context without my permission.

I had 2 remedies: A) remove the offending message you posted, which would 1) not clear my name to people who had seen the misleading post, and 2) probably make you complain more that I deleted it.

B) Put the entire conversation in context.  Since you posted my PM, that could be reasonably interpreted to mean you agreed to allow posting of the PMs in question.
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« Reply #574 on: September 18, 2012, 05:15:02 pm »
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I did not post your private message. I posted a general comment from it.

You really overstepped this time. Hope you had fun as a moderator.
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