Breaking 17May2012: Obama's literary agent's '91 material has him born in Kenya

[Grumpier Than Thou]

WTF is even the point of this thread? Didn't the birther morons want him to release his birth certificate? WHICH HE'S DONE?

What's the "controversy"? Ugh, humans are awful. Drop bombs on us.

Even if he admitted to being born in Kenya (which I'm not saying he will/was even born in Kenya) birthers wouldn't be satisfied.

[Donerail]

WTF is even the point of this thread? Didn't the birther morons want him to release his birth certificate? WHICH HE'S DONE?

What's the "controversy"? Ugh, humans are awful. Drop bombs on us.

Even if he admitted to being born in Kenya (which I'm not saying he will/was even born in Kenya) birthers wouldn't be satisfied.

They'd only be satisfied if he went on a major TV network and said, "I'm Barack Obama, and I'm a radical Kenyan socialist Muslim." Not till then.

[Zioneer]

Why would you ever trust Breitbart (before and after he died)? Anybody who treats that news source as a serious source of information is knowingly believing false information.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I don't appreciate being highlighted as if I'm some imbecile, Oakvale. There ARE strange things about the birther issue. I don't believe Obama was born in Kenya because, finally, Obama released his birth certificate. End of story. But it's certainly strange that something like this biography was dug up. It was strange that Obama took so long to release his birth certificate and instead chose to let the issue gain steam. That's all I'm saying.

[Oakvale]

I don't appreciate being highlighted as if I'm some imbecile, Oakvale.

As much as I may think anyone who pays any credence to this creepy nonsense is an imbecile (or intellectually dishonest more likely), I wasn't singling you out, merely replying to a post I noticed.

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How on earth was it strange? Why should he have to release his birth certificate in response to some idiotic conspiracy theories? It's shameful that they caved to the freaks and sociopaths endorsing this lunacy by releasing the "long-form" certificate, but I understand they thought it would put the issue to bed. How silly of them!

[Stranger in a strange land]

Obama wasn't born in Kenya, and his father certainly wasn't the Kenyan Finance Minister. I think sloppy fact-checking and/or desire by the publisher to embellish Obama's life story is what's really going on here. FWIW, in Dreams from My Father Obama clearly states he was born in Hawaii and in fact goes on at some length about it.

[Adam Griffin]

I don't believe Obama was born in Kenya because, finally, Obama released his birth certificate. End of story. But

Obviously not for you.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

So you don't think it's strange that Obama's team let Donald Trump spend months stirring up xenophobic hate against America's first black president? Amongst his most extreme detractors? Okay then.

[All Along The Watchtower]

This is despicable trolling, even for Teatards.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

whatever.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

So you don't think it's strange that Obama's team let Donald Trump spend months stirring up xenophobic hate against America's first black president? Amongst the president's most extreme detractors? Okay then.

What is your point? Just say it, rather than circling it.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I meant to edit a spelling mistake in my first post but pressed quote instead

Thought I could fix it before anyone noticed haha.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The full image also includes Tip O'Neill's bio, which lists him as becoming Speaker of the House in 1976. In actuality, he didn't become speaker until 1977. Looks like the fact checking on these bios was non-existent.

^This post proves that this is a forgery^

He was not born in Kenya, goodness. With all of the investigative technologies we have today, don't you think we already would know if he was hiding it?

Forgery?  Because it's impossible someone writing one paragraph bios make a mistake? 

Does it anger people, this thread?   Is irony not aloud if it might give another strand for conspiracy theorists to do their weaving?

[fezzyfestoon]

until my eyes fall out

[bore]

So you don't think it's strange that Obama's team let Donald Trump spend months stirring up xenophobic hate against America's first black president? Amongst his most extreme detractors? Okay then.

It's not strange, it's political genius. Allowing nutters to dominate the news and become ever more angry and ridiculous, even while there are much much more important things happening (healthcare, the economy, even the name of the Obama family's dog), and then pulling the rug from underneath them, makes it seem like republicans are both obsessed with a non issue and racist morons.

[WhyteRain]

The article goes out if its way to disavow the "conspiracy theory nonsense".  This is part of Breitbart's vetting Obama series - something the media and McCain campaign did a terrible job of in 2008.  The relevant question is who gave Obama's literary agent the false impression that Obama was born in Kenya?  From where did they get this information?  If it was from Obama himself, why did he want to say he was born in Kenya?

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/17/literary_agent_says_1991_booklet_was_a_mistake.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PoliticalWire+%28Political+Wire%29&pos=rrtxt

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Miriam Goderich claims Obama did not give her the information that resulted in her "mistakenly" placing his birth in Kenya.  OK, but she so far fails to state who did give her the information.  This is an omission that cannot long survive.

Btw, I'm not a Birther.  I note that Birtherism originated among Democrats -- Hillary supporters -- and it never gained the currency among Republicans that, for example, "9/11 Trooferism" gained among Democrats.

[WhyteRain]

Why would you ever trust Breitbart (before and after he died)? Anybody who treats that news source as a serious source of information is knowingly believing false information.

Way to attack the messenger.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Whyterain, no matter what you say, I will never take you seriously. You have Oregon, Minnesota and Maryland going GOP in your 2012 map. If you honestly believe any of those scenarios will occur, you clearly are undeserving of being taken seriously.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Romney/Trump 2012!

[WhyteRain]

Whyterain, no matter what you say, I will never take you seriously. You have Oregon, Minnesota and Maryland going GOP in your 2012 map. If you honestly believe any of those scenarios will occur, you clearly are undeserving of being taken seriously.

Not Maryland.

Back in 2009, I predicted the GOP to win only 50 seats in the 2010 elections.  (I think it's too easy to make predictions after August of the election year.)  The GOP won 63.  If anything, right now I think I may be giving Obama too much credit at 191 electoral votes.  After all, Hoover and Carter won only six states each in their re-election tries.  I'm giving Obama credit for 13.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Whyterain, no matter what you say, I will never take you seriously. You have Oregon, Minnesota and Maryland going GOP in your 2012 map. If you honestly believe any of those scenarios will occur, you clearly are undeserving of being taken seriously.

Let me correct this, he indeed does not have Maryland going GOP, but he does have the following states going GOP:

Oregon, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, Iowa, Wisconsin, Maine (and both CDs,) New Hampshire and Pennsylvania going GOP. Now, I'm of the belief that Wisconsin and Pennsylvania might go GOP, but for the most parts, those other states won't.

Back in 2009, I predicted the GOP to win only 50 seats in the 2010 elections.  (I think it's too easy to make predictions after August of the election year.)  The GOP won 63.  If anything, right now I think I may be giving Obama too much credit at 191 electoral votes.  After all, Hoover and Carter won only six states each in their re-election tries.  I'm giving Obama credit for 13.

You don't look at national and individual state polling, do you? You make your maps citing history and gut feeling, I'm guessing? Good lord.

[WhyteRain]

Back in 2009, I predicted the GOP to win only 50 seats in the 2010 elections.  (I think it's too easy to make predictions after August of the election year.)  The GOP won 63.  If anything, right now I think I may be giving Obama too much credit at 191 electoral votes.  After all, Hoover and Carter won only six states each in their re-election tries.  I'm giving Obama credit for 13.

You don't look at national and individual state polling, do you? You make your maps citing history and gut feeling, I'm guessing? Good lord.

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You're correct.  I don't look at polls, at least not before Labor Day.  I base my predictions, yes, on history and gut feeling.

If you like polls, why not look at the history of polls?  Look at the polls from, say, May of some other election years and see how accurate they turned out to be.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Oh lord we certainly will have a mess on our hands with this one.

[DrScholl]

Miriam Goderich claims Obama did not give her the information that resulted in her "mistakenly" placing his birth in Kenya.  OK, but she so far fails to state who did give her the information.  This is an omission that cannot long survive.

Btw, I'm not a Birther.  I note that Birtherism originated among Democrats -- Hillary supporters -- and it never gained the currency among Republicans that, for example, "9/11 Trooferism" gained among Democrats.

What she stated is that it was fact checking error on her part, she never mentioned anyone giving her any information or even hinted at it.

More than a few Republican members of Congress have subscribed to birtherism, so it's not true that Republicans didn't embrace it.

[milhouse24]

Maybe it was Obama himself who was the original birther because he wanted to create a more interesting life story, since being an upper middle class kid living with his white grandparents in Hawaii seems very Waspy. 

Perhaps he wanted to give the impression that he was a "foreigner" in America and it would be a compelling Horatio Alger story.  Certainly, his odd sounding name is very un-American and most intellectuals would surmise he was from Kenya.  Many second generation immigrants americanize their children's names. 

Obama has always embraced his international upbringing in Kenya and Indonesia.  I would imagine that conversations about his pre-high school days would center on time spent outside the US in foreign nations. 

If Obama really wanted to sell that book now, he can make some money selling it to birthers.