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Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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NHI
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 17, 2012, 07:49:40 pm »
Quote from: HagridOfTheDeep on May 17, 2012, 02:06:57 pm
Romney's bold message of economic freedom and prosperity is spreading across the country like a prairie wildfire.
I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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His campaign is no longer spewing negative ads at the other Republican nominees, so the Republicans who wanted someone else as the nominee have decided to forgive him his trespasses.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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Bill Clinton only lucked out because of the Dot-com bubble.
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krazen1211
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 17, 2012, 08:11:29 pm »
Quote from: Democratic Hawk on May 17, 2012, 06:42:00 pm
Emphasis on
only
Ernest. Maybe the private sector would have expanded more had demand for its goods and services not been reduced by public sector contraction?
Given that the 'liberal' welfare model is weak, I'm loathe to culling the public sector until such time as unemployment is sub-5%. The transition from employment
to unemployment
in the UK is a most horrifying fate indeed, and the FEAR of losing your livelihood could be suppressing consumer spending
'Liberal' welfarism worked during the Golden Age of Capitalism (aka the post-war economic expansion) when UK unemployment averaged 1.6% but it has averaged 7.4% during the Washington Consensus, while I suspect the more downside impact of globalisation may have contributed to an 'expanded' public sector in many developed economies
Local government employment rolls expanded by 57% in the 1960s, 38% in the 1970s, and and 11% in the 1980s. After such massive excess, rather than do any culling in the 1990s, rolls were expanded by 21% again, and again by another 11% through 2008.
Then of course they scream and moan and groan and holler over a roughly 3% cut after all of the above.
Of course, liberals were never serious about cutting spending 'later' or doing any culling this entire time. they're about as serious as the Harlem Globetrotters.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 17, 2012, 08:14:11 pm »
Romney is focusing heavily on creating jobs for the average American.
Obama is hobnobbing and money grubbing with out of touch Hollywood multi millionaire lefties in Lalaland.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 17, 2012, 08:21:55 pm »
Quote from: Mitt Romney, Economic Heavyweight on May 17, 2012, 08:14:11 pm
Romney is focusing heavily on creating jobs for the average American.
Obama is hobnobbing and money grubbing with out of touch Hollywood multi millionaire lefties in Lalaland.
I truly hope you're just playing up... otherwise I would advise some sort of therapy.
Romney is TALKING about creating jobs, but also wants to re-instate the fiscal plan that assisted in bringing down the economy AND to help those Americans by installing the Ryan Budget which would gut entitlements and undermine medicare and social security...
No amount platitudinous bs will change that...
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 17, 2012, 08:38:55 pm »
You are free to express your self righteous idignation all you like, and throw around personal insults.
That in no way alters the factual accuracy of my statement.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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Quote from: Mitt Romney, Economic Heavyweight on May 17, 2012, 08:38:55 pm
You are free to express your self righteous idignation all you like, and throw around personal insults.
That in no way alters the factual accuracy of my statement.
The difference is, I'm talking about his policies... you're the one talking without reference to facts.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 17, 2012, 09:08:02 pm »
Quote from: phk on May 17, 2012, 08:07:37 pm
Bill Clinton only lucked out because of the Dot-com bubble.
I hate that this is a little known fact. It is SO obvious.
He also lucked out on:
1) "The peace dividend"
2) having a republican congress he could steal credit from
Clinton wasn't a good president, but he might be the best democrat president. I can't really evaluate Kennedy's half term.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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Quote from: Democratic Hawk on May 17, 2012, 03:36:41 pm
Quote from: HagridOfTheDeep on May 17, 2012, 02:06:57 pm
Romney's bold message of economic freedom and
prosperity
is spreading across the country like a prairie wildfire.
Not that the Reactionary Party knows anything about that. 'Reaganomics' delivered middle class stagnation; 'Bushonomics' delivered middle class decline
I don't see Mitt Romney channelling Bill Clinton do you and raising taxes, especially on the primary beneficiaries of the supply-side tax cuts which fuel $1.4 trillion deficits?
Indeed, the post-war era has proven that its Democrats who own 1) economic growth; 2) job creation and 3) broad-based prosperity whether during the Golden Age of Capitalism or the Washington Consensus
Of course, the 'Crash of 2008' has discredited the neoliberal
Road to Serfdom
making it as dated as revolutionary socialism
You never address my point that at local levels (where complete political control can be compared) Republican areas "OWN" growth and job creation and democrat areas "OWN" decline and job loss.
Also, what IS the democrat economic philosophy?
They pretend to be Keynesian and only use stuff they can twist into quasi socialist policies.
Republicans at least study and apply classical, Keynesian, or NeoLiberal economics.
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cope1989
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May 17, 2012, 09:23:16 pm »
well, this thread has veered WILDLY off course...
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 17, 2012, 09:28:34 pm »
Quote from: HagridOfTheDeep on May 17, 2012, 02:06:57 pm
Romney's bold message of economic freedom and prosperity is spreading across the country like a prairie wildfire.
This might be my favorite post in the history of this forum.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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Quote from: AmericanNation on May 17, 2012, 09:16:47 pm
You never address my point that at local levels (where complete political control can be compared) Republican areas "OWN" growth and job creation and democrat areas "OWN" decline and job loss.
If only that was true. The unemployment rate in South Carolina has been higher than the national rate for close to a decade now. The last governor we had who enjoyed an average unemployment rate during his term that was lower than the national average was Jim Hodges, our last Democratic governor.
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milhouse24
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 18, 2012, 11:30:12 am »
Romney is trying to win by Default - that is he will be the "generic faceless non-offensive Republican" that voters will prefer. He won the primary by being the last man standing. Now he's just waiting for Obama to hurt himself.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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Quote from: The Demon Barber of Bain Street on May 18, 2012, 12:32:50 am
Quote from: AmericanNation on May 17, 2012, 09:16:47 pm
You never address my point that at local levels (where complete political control can be compared) Republican areas "OWN" growth and job creation and democrat areas "OWN" decline and job loss.
If only that was true. The unemployment rate in South Carolina has been higher than the national rate for close to a decade now. The last governor we had who enjoyed an average unemployment rate during his term that was lower than the national average was Jim Hodges, our last Democratic governor.
I was talking about local not state level. Areas where you have 25 years or more of party control, so as to mitigate many cyclical and external factors. Basically the only way to study somewhat scientifically.
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cope1989
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Quote from: milhouse24 on May 18, 2012, 11:30:12 am
Romney is trying to win by Default - that is he will be the "generic faceless non-offensive Republican" that voters will prefer. He won the primary by being the last man standing. Now he's just waiting for Obama to hurt himself.
This isn't an open election. In 2008, any democrat would have won by not being Bush. Romney has yet to provide any vision for his presidency. And if he doesn't, he will most certainly lose.
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Quote from: President Polnut on May 17, 2012, 08:57:07 pm
Quote from: Mitt Romney, Economic Heavyweight on May 17, 2012, 08:38:55 pm
You are free to express your self righteous idignation all you like, and throw around personal insults.
That in no way alters the factual accuracy of my statement.
The difference is, I'm talking about his policies... you're the one talking without reference to facts.
Fact: Romney has a very comprehensive job creation plan that will put America back to work, a plan he is communicating to the nation.
Fact: Obama goes to George Clooney's house to meet with leftist multi millionaire lalaland B grade actors at $40,000,00 a ticket.
I speak facts. You are simply unwilling, for whatever reason, to admit it.
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Frodo
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 18, 2012, 06:33:10 pm »
A combo of the following: Republicans coming together + President Obama's announcement of support for gay marriage (and its continuing reverberations) + continued weak economy would be my guess.
No mystery, really.
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Quote from: cope1989 on May 18, 2012, 04:26:16 pm
Quote from: milhouse24 on May 18, 2012, 11:30:12 am
Romney is trying to win by Default - that is he will be the "generic faceless non-offensive Republican" that voters will prefer. He won the primary by being the last man standing. Now he's just waiting for Obama to hurt himself.
This isn't an open election. In 2008, any democrat would have won by not being Bush. Romney has yet to provide any vision for his presidency. And if he doesn't, he will most certainly lose.
If you want wild, out of the box, radical vision, then pick Obama. Obama wants to make gay marriage the focus of his campaign. That is his vision. Maybe he'll get 51% of the country to vote for him because of it. If liberals want radical society changing vision, then that is Obama's dreams for the country.
Romney doesn't have to make radical promises. Some people may think that Obama's changes are radical and unstable for the country. Romney can just promises of recreating a stable economy, a stable government, and a stable society that's not fighting culture wars.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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Quote from: Mitt Romney, Economic Heavyweight on May 18, 2012, 06:27:03 pm
Quote from: President Polnut on May 17, 2012, 08:57:07 pm
Quote from: Mitt Romney, Economic Heavyweight on May 17, 2012, 08:38:55 pm
You are free to express your self righteous idignation all you like, and throw around personal insults.
That in no way alters the factual accuracy of my statement.
The difference is, I'm talking about his policies... you're the one talking without reference to facts.
Fact: Romney has a very comprehensive job creation plan that will put America back to work, a plan he is communicating to the nation.
Fact: Obama goes to George Clooney's house to meet with leftist multi millionaire lalaland B grade actors at $40,000,00 a ticket.
I speak facts. You are simply unwilling, for whatever reason, to admit it.
Wednesday, November 7th, they'll finally realize what we see. Just wait.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 18, 2012, 11:17:15 pm »
I hope you're right. The thing is... he's a poor campaigner. But he'd be a great president. The opposite is true of Obama. Unfortunately, campaigning is how you win elections.
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Quote from: HagridOfTheDeep on May 18, 2012, 11:17:15 pm
I hope you're right. The thing is... he's a poor campaigner. But he'd be a great president. The opposite is true of Obama. Unfortunately, campaigning is how you win elections.
Doesn't it seem like Obama is getting worse at campaigning and Romney(or team Romney) is getting better?
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milhouse24
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May 19, 2012, 11:26:07 am »
Romney has to study how Bill Clinton defeated Bush, and how Reagan defeated Carter.
Granted GHW Bush was an extremely poor politician, and Carter wasn't much better.
Obama is a good politician and campaigner but I think he has run out of steam.
Clinton was a very good politician and campaigner, probably one of the best ever. Romney is not as good as Clinton.
Romney isn't as good as Reagan, but his vision will have to be similar to Reagan, in terms of speaking to the country and gaining the confidence of swing voters.
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Re: Why are Romney's favorables going up so quickly?
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May 19, 2012, 11:57:56 am »
Romney can study Clinton's 1992 campaign all he wants, but he's not going to be as exciting as Bill Clinton was. Plus, this is a different election. In 1992, the recession was still pretty fresh. in 2012, this isn't a recession, but a slow recovery. It's not booming, but it's far better than it was.
If it continutes to get a little better throughout the year, Obama can play up the whole "We're better off than we were, and Romney would take us back to the failed policies that got us into this mess". Obama is more likeable and charismatic than Romney, too. That certainly helps in presidential elections.
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