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Question: Opinion of ordoliberalism
Freedom Ideology   -20 (50%)
Horrible Ideology   -7 (17.5%)
Neutral or Mixed   -13 (32.5%)
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« on: May 15, 2012, 07:53:56 pm »
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordoliberalism
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2012, 08:00:47 pm »
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Voted 2, but upon reflection should probably be 3 or even 1 considering the other prevailing theories during the 40s-60s.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2012, 08:12:04 pm »
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I'm guessing this involves trust busting, but I'm not sure what else.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2012, 08:34:15 pm »
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Noble in nature, but HI.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2012, 08:47:24 pm »
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There are far worse ideologies out there... noted by the presence of Wormy.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2012, 08:49:25 pm »
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Lean FI.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2012, 09:10:55 pm »
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Lean FI.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2012, 09:17:04 pm »
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I'm guessing this involves trust busting, but I'm not sure what else.

It's essentially an economic policy of low-regulation/free trade/low-inflation but either ambiguous on or supportive of high taxes and large welfare states.  See, Scandinavia (especially Denmark) or Germany.  Were the people who actually called themselves "neoliberals" prior to it becoming a Marxist buzzword.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2012, 11:32:10 pm »
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A school of thought in backlash against Nazism and socialism originating from the University of Freiburg. It holds that society should be arranged according to a constitutional framework, and that the government's role should be to help create this framework but no more.

For example, Anglo socialists argue that the director should write the play, set the scenes, and direct the actors. Anglo liberals argue that the director should not to anything except make sure the actors do not hurt each other and that the theater isn't invaded. The ordo liberal would argue that the director should direct, a playwright should write, technicians should set the scenes, and the actors should act.

It all makes good sense and it's worked well in Germany. Unfortunately it's proving a bit too rigid for Europe as a whole. Especially since the director has had a heart attack.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2012, 12:08:03 am »
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I have a mixed opinion of ordoliberalism overall but voted FI since I consider it humane, morally justifiable, and reasonably moderate relative to most other variations of liberal thought.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2012, 12:08:33 am »
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Somewhere between FI and mixed....I went with FI.

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2012, 03:50:38 am »
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Conservatism by any other name, etc.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2012, 04:07:53 am »
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When I see anything with liberalism in it my reaction is the same as a bull would have seeing after seeing a waving red flag.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2012, 04:18:46 am »
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Neutral, given the vastly superior ideologies at the time.
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2012, 03:17:35 pm »
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This paper may be worth a read:
https://live2.nfpservices.co.uk/ecfr/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=2353&qid=236224

It compares and contrasts ordoliberalism with New Keynesianism in Europe, and particularly between the FDP, CDU/CSU, SPD, Greens and Left. It would have been fascinating if they had included Pirates.
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2012, 03:30:00 pm »
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Its pretty much my own general approach to how society should be organized, so FI.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2012, 09:44:57 am »
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Very much positive, but it obviously could use some work. The general philosophy is exactly what I believe. The rigidity and limits are what I disagree with, though do understand from a philosophical standpoint.
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2012, 03:18:52 pm »
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This paper may be worth a read:
https://live2.nfpservices.co.uk/ecfr/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=2353&qid=236224

It compares and contrasts ordoliberalism with New Keynesianism in Europe, and particularly between the FDP, CDU/CSU, SPD, Greens and Left. It would have been fascinating if they had included Pirates.

It seems quite similar to the Chicago School, but with additional emphasis on the role of government to promote competition and maintain fair markets. It looks like a philosophy Teddy Roosevelt would have endorsed.
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