SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Law'd)
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« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2012, 09:23:38 AM »

I don't believe the state should be in the business of taking sides, which is clear by how this issue is being approached.

There are clear rights that women have, but I want to make sure that support exists to enable to women who want to keep their baby, as well as support for those who choose an alternative. Not trying to convince them to change their minds.

Also I'd be startled if this information is not already discussed by a responsible doctor.

Interesting we're not talking about avoiding the pregnancies in the first place, which I see a step too often ignored.
We have a fundamental disagreement on the first part of your statement Mr. Pres- however Ive proposed an amendment which eliminated the part of the bill which sought to guilt a mother into making that choice...the rest is simply informative
Information discussed by doctor- I'm sure it is often not either by neglect of the doctor of will of the mother not to hear it...but the information is crucial for her to hear- complications of the procedure for example. Hell- in the bill it is included to describe to her procedures AFTER an abortion to minimize health risks...hardly discouraging to her

I would also be happy to work with you to find ways to reduce pregnancies...


Finally- I want to bring up something that JCL had earlier brought up... while I am slightly more willing to amend this bill then he is- for example my amendment above- I want to point out just how moderate this bill is. It does not seek in ANY way to ban or place restrictions on abortion... it was introduced and sponsored in the US Congress by mostly Democrats including figures such as Harold Ford JR, Marion Barry, Marcy Kaptur, etc... supported by figures such as Paul Begala, James Carville, and Martin Sheen...

My point is this- this bill in itself IS a compromise...a manner to provide support to women so they recgonize other options besides an abortion without legally restriction abortion to her
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« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2012, 10:57:02 AM »

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« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2012, 01:16:20 AM »

I object to that amendment. Again, not all bad but I would institute a few changes. I will try to present my changes soon.
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« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2012, 03:49:22 AM »

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Here is my amendment. Bold part is what I added.
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« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2012, 04:09:46 AM »

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« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2012, 05:18:10 AM »


After birth. What language should be added to make it clear?
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« Reply #56 on: May 23, 2012, 09:01:11 AM »

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« Reply #57 on: May 23, 2012, 10:26:56 AM »

It would be awfully hard for a woman to give up and unborn baby at a police station with no questions asked. Tongue
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« Reply #58 on: May 23, 2012, 11:40:08 AM »

Lol yes. I'm pretty confused. Tongue
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« Reply #59 on: May 23, 2012, 12:19:29 PM »

I'm not sure that's even constitutional to impose the national government's will on what is presumably locally controlled.
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« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2012, 01:28:05 PM »

Sbane- I appreciate your feedback and I am glad to see that we aren't too far off from each other here... however I will not consider that amendment friendly as I believe information about how the procedure is performed and alternatives are crucial for women to know...and also defining child as including the unborn can help a woman obtain greater insurance benefits during her pregnancy
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« Reply #61 on: May 23, 2012, 01:59:03 PM »

A vote is now open on Amendment 49:09 by Clarence, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain:

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« Reply #62 on: May 23, 2012, 02:01:51 PM »

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« Reply #63 on: May 23, 2012, 02:08:36 PM »

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« Reply #64 on: May 23, 2012, 02:15:51 PM »

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« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2012, 04:37:34 PM »

Nay. I would like my version of course.
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« Reply #66 on: May 23, 2012, 05:25:28 PM »

Nay.  I much prefer Sbane's version.
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« Reply #67 on: May 23, 2012, 06:23:15 PM »

Nay.
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« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2012, 08:02:56 PM »


After birth. What language should be added to make it clear?
Well, what's the maximum age that this practice will be allowed for?
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« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2012, 08:03:27 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2012, 10:36:22 PM »


After birth. What language should be added to make it clear?
Well, what's the maximum age that this practice will be allowed for?
Such a law already exists, btw.
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Infant_Abandonment_Act_%28federal%29
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« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2012, 10:39:15 PM »

Oh nevermind then.
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« Reply #72 on: May 27, 2012, 10:54:41 AM »

A 3-4-3, WTF is this?!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #73 on: May 27, 2012, 11:16:01 AM »

Grin Yup.  This represents an improvement over the current bill.  But I'll vote for Sbane's, too, once it comes up to a vote, because that's even better.
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« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2012, 05:56:38 PM »

Vote on Amendment 49:09 by Clarence:

Aye (4): Clarence, ILV, NC Yankee and TJ in Cleve
Nay (4): Ben, sbane, Scott, and Seatown
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): AndrewPA and Wormyguy

The vote is tied and the Vice President is needed to break the tie.

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