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« on: May 23, 2012, 11:11:00 AM »

So I take that you are in silent agreement jmfcst?

the sounds of silence which have emanated from the jmfcst are the result of his failure to feel the need to respond to every fool.  But, in your case…he’ll make an exception.

1)   the jmfcst has NOT been silent on this issue, rather he has expounded upon it 1000 times.  The very fact you’re asking him to spell it out again is a sign that you just haven’t been paying attention.

2)   the new covenant superseded the old (Law of Moses), as the Law of Moses and the rest of the OT prophesied, thus the NT church is not governed by the Law of Moses

3)   the requirement for stoning in the Law of Moses was a foreshadowing of the coming Judgment, when God will destroy the unrighteous.

4)   Although the OT contained foreshadowing, the new covenant does not contain foreshadowing regulations, rather the new covenant is about the reality of the present age of grace.

5)   The regulation against weaving two different kinds of material in the same clothe was simply to serve as a lesson for the righteous not to intertwine themselves with non-believers (e.g. do not be unequally yoked…do not plant to different kinds of seeds in the same field…you must differentiate the clean from the unclean, etc, etc, etc…)

But, since you habitually and purposely forget the above and jump on ignorant statements from ignorant pastors in order to comfort your own self-deception, at least remember this lesson: never invite the jmfcst into a thread when you’re not playing with a full deck, for he will expose all your foolishness and correctly divide the word of truth.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2012, 11:54:44 AM »
« Edited: May 23, 2012, 11:57:59 AM by consigliere jmfcst »

2)   the new covenant superseded the old (Law of Moses), as the Law of Moses and the rest of the OT prophesied, thus the NT church is not governed by the Law of Moses


"It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law."  -Luke 16:17

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments  and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

"For the law was given through Moses;  grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." John 1:17

"Has not Moses given you the law?  Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?” John 7:19

" All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16

I never stated the Law of Moses wasn't going to be fulfilled simply because it has been superseded, for the Law of Moses is a shadow of things there were (and are) to come.

And, if you would just take a moment to continue reading the verses that immediately follow Mat 5:17-19, you find “these commandments” to be a reference to the commands Jesus goes on to give, which he gave IN CONTRAST to the Law of Moses.

Mat 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment…27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart…31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery…38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person.

Hopefully, you:
1) recognize all those were quotes from the Law of Moses, and
2) understand the conjunction “but” is a CONTRASTING conjunction.

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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2012, 12:37:02 PM »

ok, I just read the OP and I couldn't find where he advocated putting them to death, rather it appears he simply cited the Law of Moses, along with the NT, in order to show the bible was against such behavior in both the OT and NT.

There are MANY passages in the NT that refer to the executions of sinful people in the OT.  Example:  

Heb 10:28 "Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.  29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?"

But that is NOT saying OT executions of the sinful are carried into the NT and are to be preformed by the church, rather those executions are brought up as a reminder of the coming Judgment and therefore serve as a warning for us.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2012, 12:41:26 PM »

Did your church have any ideas about how to 'cure' or 'save' or at least quarantine a Gay, jmfcst?  Perhaps you saved the Dinner Doodle?

they're saved by the same method anyone else is saved - by the God given grace of receiving a new nature through faith in Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2012, 02:38:10 PM »

5)   The regulation against weaving two different kinds of material in the same clothe was simply to serve as a lesson for the righteous not to intertwine themselves with non-believers (e.g. do not be unequally yoked…do not plant to different kinds of seeds in the same field…you must differentiate the clean from the unclean, etc, etc, etc…)

So some passages of the Bible - which look a hell of a lot like strict orders - are simply metaphors, but the stuff about humankind descending from two people who let a talking snake fool them, and the creation of races and languages following the Tower of Babel, and the story of Noah's Ark are literally all true and happened exactly as described.  Got it.

learn to read.  I never said those commands were simply metaphors.  They were commands to be strictly followed by those who lived under that covenant, but they also serve as foreshadowings....they are BOTH literal and figurative.

Just as Adam-Eve, Noah's Ark, Tower of Babel...are BOTH literal and figurative.
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2012, 04:00:44 PM »

Ah yes, in my Bible as literature book that I am reading, allegory and metaphors were Greek concepts, and when the Hebrew Bible was translated from Hebrew into Greek in Alexandria by the Hellenized Jews there, they took the opportunity to edit the Old Testament yet again, dumping a bunch of that stuff into it…

So, you’re saying the Septuagint (LXX) didn’t represent its Hebrew source?!   Then I have some points for you to chew on:

1)   That’s pure conjecture, without any supporting evidence.

2)   To claim that the Jews would accept a new Greek translation which varied markedly from known Hebrew sources is preposterous.

3)   Jewish historical sources (e.g. Josephus) say the LXX was viewed by Jews as having been translated accurately.

4)   The Deal Sea Scrolls, much of which is in Hebrew, including palaeo-Hebrew script (which is FAR older than the timeframe of the start of Greek rule over the Jews), is in close alignment with the LXX…showing that the Dead Sea Scrolls and the LXX have a common Hebrew source.  Which means the physical evidence contradicts the theory of the book you’re reading, which I am sure was written by acclaimed “scholars”.
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