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« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2012, 12:03:09 am »
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« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2012, 12:06:58 am »
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Nay.

Wormyguy hates the brown man(and the poor man in general).

oh boy, looks like confusion about what's being debated really is a problem . . .
There is no confusion, most future veterans will come from poor & minority backgrounds. I am sure wormy perfectly knows this, while this went over your head.

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« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2012, 12:25:22 am »
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Wormyguy hates the brown man(and the poor man in general).

oh boy, looks like confusion about what's being debated really is a problem . . .
There is no confusion, most future veterans will come from poor & minority backgrounds. I am sure wormy perfectly knows this, while this went over your head.

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« Reply #53 on: June 01, 2012, 12:52:52 am »
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« Reply #54 on: June 01, 2012, 01:06:04 am »
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Uh, the President presents a decent budget and you guys want to nuke his efforts by adding a heap of wasteful spending? I encourage the Senators representing me (and the rest of you Tongue ) to vote against these unnecessary amendments. I see Ben continues his  approach of offering no substantive reasons for anything he does while demanding that others explain their reasons for opposing. 5 infraction points for trolling to you Senator.
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« Reply #55 on: June 01, 2012, 01:29:13 am »
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Ben's amendments result in a net spending increase of $42 billion dollars.
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« Reply #56 on: June 01, 2012, 01:34:31 am »
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I would like to offer two amendments
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Income Taxes
1M+              60%
This one needs no explanation
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Gasoline Tax (20 cents/gallon)
33 billion is spent for highways, gas tax at 12c only brings in 20 billion, I don't think we should be subsidizing them.
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« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2012, 01:34:38 am »
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As innappropriate in form as they are, Napoleon does have a point.


Perhapse I should extend my 24 hour requirement of bill sponsors to the sponsors of amendments to those bills as well. The problem is there is no tabling mechanism and I would have to use the "Frivolous, functionally impractical, etc" trash can to enforce it. It would also delay the consideration of amendments somewhat.
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« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2012, 01:39:52 am »
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Which is a 50% increase to the current projected deficit notwithstanding the optimistic revenue projections. I haven't heard anyone explain why this extra spending is necessary or what it will be used on. What is so important that the original budget didn't include?
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« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2012, 01:46:27 am »
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With all this talk of new spending, I'm surprised no one's interested in discussing the spending that's been cut.
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« Reply #60 on: June 01, 2012, 01:47:13 am »
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64% of that increase in net spending is the result of the current amendment at vote, 49:19. 
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« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2012, 01:52:00 am »
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64% of that increase in net spending is the result of the current amendment at vote, 49:19. 
Yes, the amendment I oppose.

I'd like to see the changes from the last budget.

Also, Shua, that reminds me that I am going to need your help with the regional budget when you get a chance. Wink
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« Reply #62 on: June 01, 2012, 09:14:35 am »
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Napoleon, there's no need for you to attack me in the way that you are.  It's also worth noting you aren't attacking the DoEA, which supported my Amendment, or any other Senator that has voted for them - only I am attacked.

I am working with Shua on some revenue Amendments, and if need be I accept Seatown's two Amendments as friendly.
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« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2012, 09:30:50 am »
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It's worth noting that the DoEA and other Senators aren't proposing amendments without offering any explanations and then demanding explanations from others.
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« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2012, 09:31:49 am »
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It's worth noting that the DoEA and other Senators aren't proposing amendments without offering any explanations and then demanding explanations from others.

Napoleon, nobody has asked for an explanation.  I can certainly answer any questions you might have.
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« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2012, 09:33:47 am »
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Ill wait for someone else to answer questions I have already asked. Thanks though I guess.
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« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2012, 09:35:52 am »
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Ill wait for someone else to answer questions I have already asked. Thanks though I guess.

If so, please don't attack me for refusing to explain myself Smiley
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« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2012, 09:43:12 am »
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Ill wait for someone else to answer questions I have already asked. Thanks though I guess.

If so, please don't attack me for refusing to explain myself Smiley

I am simply pointing out hypocrisy when I see it.
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« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2012, 09:45:26 am »
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I am simply pointing out hypocrisy when I see it.

It's not really hypocrisy when I offer to answer the question; explanations should only be expected when actually asked.
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« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2012, 12:08:43 pm »
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My parents are pretty good about smelling a rat. 
Let me put this as clear as I can (saying this to myself, as well, so I can see it): I WILL get a job with CADD and I WILL keep the job.
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« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2012, 11:57:23 pm »
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Weird question- is there any way we could use this budget to merge departments of government and eliminate ones we don't need?  Obviously, the specifics would have to be worked out, but it would be great if we could use this opportunity to cut spending and bureaucracy at the same time.
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« Reply #71 on: June 02, 2012, 12:10:03 am »
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Also, an amendment.

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 9.5K-35K     13%10%          
 35K-80K      24%21%

 1M-2.5M     50%52%        
 2.5M+        60%61%

Pretty self-explanatory; this amendment will make the tax code more progressive by cutting the Income tax rate on the two lowest income groups and raising them modestly on the highest two.
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This will cost us a considerable amount of tax revenue (about $150 B by my quick calculations) since so many more people pay the lower brackets.

We already tax the wealthy too much in Atlasia considering the top bracket is already 60%. I will not support making it higher while the lower brackets are this light. 35K a year is not poor; we do not need the government to try and "help" people making 35K a year.
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« Reply #73 on: June 02, 2012, 11:28:53 am »
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Just FYI, I've got a big revenue Amendment coming up soon.
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« Reply #74 on: June 02, 2012, 01:27:41 pm »
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This will cost us a considerable amount of tax revenue (about $150 B by my quick calculations) since so many more people pay the lower brackets.

We already tax the wealthy too much in Atlasia considering the top bracket is already 60%. I will not support making it higher while the lower brackets are this light. 35K a year is not poor; we do not need the government to try and "help" people making 35K a year.

In a time when unemployment is still very high, it is necessary that we keep taxes on the middle-class as low as possible.  I am willing to compromise on the other brackets, but taxes on the lowest bracket should absolutely be reduced.
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