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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2012, 05:56:39 PM »

To be fair, there is a notion of Jewish "peoplehood," and sometimes the idea is floated of Jewish ethnicity. After all, few if any Jews with ancestry in Bialystok would consider themselves ethnic Poles.

I think more plausibly we can speak of Ashkenazi ethnicity, Sfardi ethnicity, non-Sfardi Mizrahi ethnicity, and a set of smaller ethnicities such as Temani, Gruzi, Romaniote, Italki, and Beta Israel.

Something like 90% of American Jews are Ashkenazim, so let's say he's referring only to Ashkenazi Mormons. I think this is as close to a non-delusional interpretation of the OP that I can get.

Answer: hahaha. The vast, vast majority of Ashkenazim in the United States are going to be Jewish, nonreligious or atheist. A teency fraction will be Mormon. While we're at it, how are Samoyed Mormons and Guarani Mormons voting?

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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2012, 10:03:57 PM »

There is no such thing as a Jewish Mormon. There might be ex-Jews that convert to Mormonism (not many of course but I'm sure there's a few, no more odd than black Mormons), but one can not be Jewish and Mormon any more than you can be both Wiccan and Baptist.

There's also no such thing as an 'ex-Jew', any more than there is an 'ex-Kalmyk' or an 'ex-Cherokee' or an 'ex-Anglo-Saxon'.

There might be no such thing as an ex-Ashkenazi or ex-Shepardi, but there are definitely ex-Jews:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Judaism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Islam_from_Judaism
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« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2012, 08:22:11 PM »

I think if your mom is ethnically Jewish, then you are considered fully ethnically Jewish as well.  You can practice any religion, or no religion at all, or even scientology but you'll always be a Jewish person in the eyes of other jewish people. 
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2012, 08:45:40 PM »

Singer Josh Groban's father was born Jewish and converted to Christianity when he married Josh Groban's mother.  His parents are active in the Episcopal Church.

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Groban was born in Los Angeles, to Lindy (née Johnston), a school teacher and full time mother, and Jack Groban, a businessman. He has a younger brother, Chris, who shares the same birthday, four years later. Groban's father was born Jewish, and is a descendant of Russian and Polish immigrants; he converted from Judaism to Christianity when marrying Groban's mother. Groban's mother's ancestry includes Norwegian (from Toten), German, and English; one of her own grandfathers had been Jewish. Groban's parents practiced in the Episcopal Church.
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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2012, 09:54:15 PM »
« Edited: May 25, 2012, 10:27:36 PM by Mr. Morden »

Singer Josh Groban's father was born Jewish and converted to Christianity when he married Josh Groban's mother.  His parents are active in the Episcopal Church.

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Groban was born in Los Angeles, to Lindy (née Johnston), a school teacher and full time mother, and Jack Groban, a businessman. He has a younger brother, Chris, who shares the same birthday, four years later. Groban's father was born Jewish, and is a descendant of Russian and Polish immigrants; he converted from Judaism to Christianity when marrying Groban's mother. Groban's mother's ancestry includes Norwegian (from Toten), German, and English; one of her own grandfathers had been Jewish. Groban's parents practiced in the Episcopal Church.

1. Do you think this has anything, at all, to do with the voting patterns of "Jewish Mormons?"

2. Do you think that Episcopalianism is the same thing as Mormonism?

3. If your whole point was to prove that a Jew, at some point in human history, has converted to another faith, then -
a. Did you not see that BRTD posted two long lists of such people?
b. Do you believe that Josh Groban is something called a "Jewish Episcopalian?"

4. Since your contribution here does not reference the Mormon faith or voting patterns, what do you think it adds, even anecdotally, to this "discussion," such as it is?
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« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2012, 10:36:53 PM »

There is no such thing as a Jewish Mormon. There might be ex-Jews that convert to Mormonism (not many of course but I'm sure there's a few, no more odd than black Mormons), but one can not be Jewish and Mormon any more than you can be both Wiccan and Baptist.

There's also no such thing as an 'ex-Jew', any more than there is an 'ex-Kalmyk' or an 'ex-Cherokee' or an 'ex-Anglo-Saxon'.

There might be no such thing as an ex-Ashkenazi or ex-Shepardi, but there are definitely ex-Jews:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Judaism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Islam_from_Judaism

Judaism is the religion, Jewish the ethnicity.  The vast majority of DNA studies conducted have shown clear linkage and common descent among all Jewish people- Sepharidic and Ashkenazi. This is particularly true of the priestly or Cohen lines.

In the vast majority of places Jews were forbidden from intermingling with the gentile community. Even in places where it became briefly accepted or rather legal for a while like Germany, this was a late occurrence.  Another similar example: Most people wouldn't, and I know most Romanians definitely wouldn't, consider a Romani as belonging to the same ethnic group just because they live in the same country. 
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