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« on: May 22, 2012, 09:20:23 am »
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http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_2_california-teachers-association.html

How the California Teachers Association betrayed the schools and crippled the state

All this money has helped the union rack up an imposing number of victories. The first major win came in 1988, with the passage of Proposition 98. That initiative compelled California to spend more than 40 percent of its annual budget on education in grades K–12 and community college. The spending quota eliminated schools’ incentive to get value out of every dollar: since funding was locked in, there was no need to make things run cost-effectively. Thanks to union influence on local school boards, much of the extra money—about $450 million a year—went straight into teachers’ salaries.

One of the most noticeable changes at Locke has ramifications statewide: when Green Dot took over, it required all teachers to reapply for their jobs. It hired back only about one-third of them. That approach is unimaginable in the rest of the state’s public schools, where a teaching job is essentially a lifetime sinecure. A tiny 0.03 percent of California teachers are dismissed after three or more years on the job.

The CTA’s most recent crusade for job security made clear that the union was prepared to jeopardize the financial future of California’s schools. Last June, it vigorously pushed (and Governor Brown hastily signed) Assembly Bill 114, which prevented any teacher layoffs or program cuts in the coming fiscal year and removed the requirement that school districts present balanced budget plans.



The very sad story on how, with the consent of the electorate, the California teachers union dominated the state and walked off with the treasury.

It's a shame they don't have a Scott Walker or a Chris Christie to start punching them back.
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 09:35:11 am »
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If I get motivated I will try to find the chart that matches school district unionization with a decline in educational performance. Sadly, it is not just about money. The collateral damage is more than just a fiscal one.
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 10:59:59 am »
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Far worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Medical_Association
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 11:21:57 am »
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The AMA is a union?
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 11:31:10 am »
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Not in the strictest sense of the word, but it's a professional organization that spends resources to protect the interests of its members. It walks like a duck and quacks like a ducks.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2012, 12:00:19 pm »
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<-- knew this would be a Krazen thread
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2012, 12:14:56 pm »
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<-- knew this would be a Krazen thread

Guy is starting to resemble CARLHAYDEN and illegal immigrants.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2012, 01:13:34 pm »
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It's certainly true that the AMA has been useful at boosting the number of physicians in the United States, although not to the same success as the teachers unions.
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2012, 03:55:49 pm »
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It's certainly true that the AMA has been useful at boosting the number of physicians in the United States, although not to the same success as the teachers unions.

Quite the opposite. The AMA has been instrumental in keeping the number of doctors low. Artificial shortage means higher prices.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2012, 06:28:34 pm »
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*Gasp* Paying teachers for everything they do? Their salaries are already a whopping $50,000!
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2012, 09:01:51 pm »
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*Gasp* Paying teachers for everything they do? Their salaries are already a whopping $50,000!
Two of those, and you can buy a 3 bedroom house an hour+ away from your job(Inland Empire in LA).
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 09:08:20 pm »
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In case that OP was too long, here's a condensed version:

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Teachers in California unionized in an attempt to push for better working conditions and reasonable pay, and a halt to program cuts that leave schools without program supplies. This is bad and Chris Christie should punch them.
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2012, 04:53:33 am »
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Although Krazen has an unhealthy obsession, the California teachers union truly is bad....then again so are the prison guards and cops who are supported by the republicans. I think California public unions really need to be put on a leash.
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2012, 06:47:39 am »
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Public sector unions are EVIL! EEEEEVVVVIIIIIILLLL!!!!!!
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2012, 06:52:14 am »
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The first major win came in 1988, with the passage of Proposition 98. That initiative compelled California to spend more than 40 percent of its annual budget on education in grades K–12 and community college.

Wow, 40% of the budget is a pretty big set-aside.
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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2012, 09:46:22 am »
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It's certainly true that the AMA has been useful at boosting the number of physicians in the United States, although not to the same success as the teachers unions.

Quite the opposite. The AMA has been instrumental in keeping the number of doctors low. Artificial shortage means higher prices.

It's certainly true that doctor compensation grew very quickly in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but since the 1990s, compensation for physicians has hardly grown in such a manner.


On the other hand, California teachers swelled by 250,000 since 1990.
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2012, 10:09:10 am »
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*Gasp* Paying teachers for everything they do? Their salaries are already a whopping $50,000!

You forgot the other half of the problem, namely, the fact that we're paying far too many teachers to do whatever the heck they do when we don't even need em.


California added 250,000 teachers from 1990 to 2008. No wonder they had and have massive budgetary issues!
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2012, 10:12:24 am »
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*Gasp* Paying teachers for everything they do? Their salaries are already a whopping $50,000!

You forgot the other half of the problem, namely, the fact that we're paying far too many teachers to do whatever the heck they do when we don't even need em.


California added 250,000 teachers from 1990 to 2008. No wonder they had and have massive budgetary issues!
Lol.
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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2012, 03:19:44 pm »
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*Gasp* Paying teachers for everything they do? Their salaries are already a whopping $50,000!

You forgot the other half of the problem, namely, the fact that we're paying far too many teachers to do whatever the heck they do when we don't even need em.


California added 250,000 teachers from 1990 to 2008. No wonder they had and have massive budgetary issues!
Lol.

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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2012, 05:05:12 pm »

*Gasp* Paying teachers for everything they do? Their salaries are already a whopping $50,000!

You forgot the other half of the problem, namely, the fact that we're paying far too many teachers to do whatever the heck they do when we don't even need em.


California added 250,000 teachers from 1990 to 2008. No wonder they had and have massive budgetary issues!
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we dn't ned no edjucayshun or nothn. speculy no redin or wrtng learng.

Krazen could be using the gender-neutral Spivak pronouns.
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2012, 06:38:52 pm »
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*Gasp* Paying teachers for everything they do? Their salaries are already a whopping $50,000!

You forgot the other half of the problem, namely, the fact that we're paying far too many teachers to do whatever the heck they do when we don't even need em.


California added 250,000 teachers from 1990 to 2008. No wonder they had and have massive budgetary issues!
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we dn't ned no edjucayshun or nothn. speculy no redin or wrtng learng.


Not in California, no. The state is near the bottom of education rankings, along with Washington DC.
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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2012, 07:29:27 pm »
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*Gasp* Paying teachers for everything they do? Their salaries are already a whopping $50,000!

You forgot the other half of the problem, namely, the fact that we're paying far too many teachers to do whatever the heck they do when we don't even need em.


California added 250,000 teachers from 1990 to 2008. No wonder they had and have massive budgetary issues!
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we dn't ned no edjucayshun or nothn. speculy no redin or wrtng learng.


Not in California, no. The state is near the bottom of education rankings, along with Washington DC.

Yeah, no. They're around 35th by SAT scores, which may be below average but it isn't "near the bottom" (that is reserved for Mississippi).

And you mean the same Washington D.C. where Michelle Rhee came in and destroyed teacher tenure and such (all against the wishes of the teacher's union)? That one? You're sure that's the D.C. you meant? Cause if I was going to cite D.C. as an example, I'd use it to show how trying to smash teacher's unions backfires and causes schools to fail...
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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2012, 08:30:21 pm »

*Gasp* Paying teachers for everything they do? Their salaries are already a whopping $50,000!

You forgot the other half of the problem, namely, the fact that we're paying far too many teachers to do whatever the heck they do when we don't even need em.


California added 250,000 teachers from 1990 to 2008. No wonder they had and have massive budgetary issues!

And in that time the state population grew by over one fourth--almost 8 million people. That's just official census numbers. The actual numbers--including kids who need and deserve an education, no matter how much you may prefer they mow your lawn or pour your drinks for life--are obviously inflated by illegal immigration. Add to that the lager share young people are making up among the population nationwide, and, well, demographics kind of creates the demand, no?

Everytime Krazen posts he reinforces the argument for increasing investment in education.
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2012, 12:22:09 pm »
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krazen, what do you think is the Best Union in America?
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2012, 12:35:30 pm »
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No, we do not need a Scott Walker or Chris Christie here, thank you very much.
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