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« on: May 23, 2012, 09:02:22 pm »
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Here it is.

Goals:
Identify expenditures.
Decide on revenue sources.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2012, 09:04:29 pm »
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How many Reps are going to be on this committee?  Not to sound like a dick or anything, but the Assembly's pretty small for committees and stuff like that. Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2012, 09:11:02 pm »
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It will be Simfan, Nix and myself. We will need help from GM Shua too.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2012, 10:11:45 pm »
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Are we free to invent taxes and expenditures as we see fit for consideration besides already extant ones, or is there a guideline we need to be following?
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2012, 10:14:12 pm »
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We need to comply with Section 1 and 2 of the Budget Procedure Act. We will need help from Shua and we will need to see which regional laws bring revenue or cost money.

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Section One: Revenues
1. Each budget presented shall demonstrate sources of revenue in total dollars.
Federal funding-
Income taxation-
Sales taxation-
Property taxation-
Business taxation-
Excise taxation-

Section Two: Expenditures
1. Each budget presented shall demonstrate public expenditures in total dollars.
Law Enforcement/Military-
Education-
Health care-
Infrastructure (including transportation and utilities)-
Environment-
Administration-
Local governments (states, counties, municipalities)-
Tax deductions-
Miscellaneous (including other investments)-
2. Any spending bills must be tagged with their budget category. Duration of expenditure (one-time, short-term (in years), long-term (in effect until repealed via statute), etc.) shall be noted in the law.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 09:22:06 pm »
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what do you need help with exactly?
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2012, 09:25:25 pm »
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We don't have the numbers for any revenue or expenditures in the region. The last time this was updated was 2009, I believe. That, or I am struggling hard with the search function. Now, the tax rates are 2005 rates of each regional state. Honestly you can just give us some good numbers to work with and we can make it work. It doesn't need to be the most difficult task ever. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2012, 09:50:50 pm »
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We don't have the numbers for any revenue or expenditures in the region. The last time this was updated was 2009, I believe. That, or I am struggling hard with the search function. Now, the tax rates are 2005 rates of each regional state. Honestly you can just give us some good numbers to work with and we can make it work. It doesn't need to be the most difficult task ever. Smiley
so you want to start from scratch based off RL numbers as a baseline?
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2012, 09:52:21 pm »
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Yeah. Once we understand current revenue levels better, I am hoping we can shoot you a couple of models for new taxation rates but I can't do that until I see what the budget looked like before my term.
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2012, 05:22:36 pm »
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If you haven't done a budget before and you don't have any laws on the books saying what the rates are, I think it makes sense to start with the RL rates for a characteristic single state that would then be extrapolated to the total population. 

Would that work for what you are trying to do?
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2012, 12:20:53 pm »
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I suppose New York would be ideal as our largest state and capital's location.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2012, 02:14:10 pm »
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I suppose New York would be ideal as our largest state and capital's location.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2012, 04:01:43 pm »
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I suppose New York would be ideal as our largest state and capital's location.
Those factors aren't relevant to budget calculations, but it just so happens NY is a good choice due to its socioeconomic diversity and being fairly average for the region in terms of mean and median personal income.
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2012, 06:13:59 am »
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Have we seen Shua's report?
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2012, 10:36:14 am »
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Hi, Governor! Do we have numbers for how many people are at each income level, so as to determine the amount of income-tax revenue we'll get?

Mr. Shua! Step on it, if you please.
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2012, 10:57:12 pm »
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Okay, here's what I've found so far for a RL baseline.
This is the RL NY state revenues for capita:
http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/year_revenue_2012NYdn_13ds1n_6063103040#usgs302
and this is the RL NY state spending per capita:
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2012NYdn_13ds1n_F0201000#usgs302

total pop of region is 56.3 million

If we can get the NY tax rates (which I haven't found yet) we can use this.
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2012, 11:51:44 pm »
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I'll continue searching for data. Thanks for your help, Shua.

I'd prefer to use NE:NY GDP (which is about 2.5) rather than NE:NY population (which is closer to 3.0) for the calculation. Does this seem like an acceptable approach to you?
Yes, that makes sense.
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2012, 08:51:10 am »
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www.tax.ny.gov has all of the taxes right there. Here's individual tax rates:

<8K: 4%
8K-11K: 4.5% of excess over 8K + $320
11K-13K: 5.25% of excess over 11K + $455
13K-20K: 5.9% of excess over 13K + $560
20K-75K: 6.45% of excess over 20K + $973
75K-200K: 6.65% of excess over 75K + $4,521
200K-1M: 6.85% of excess over 200K + $12,833
>1M: 8.82% of excess over 1M + $67,633
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2012, 12:29:42 pm »
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Income tax
0.0%    $0 - $30,000
1.0%    $30,000 - $60,000
2.0%    $60,000 - $100,000
4.0%    $100,000 - $250,000
6.0%    $250,000 +


These brackets?
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2012, 02:31:32 pm »
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Nice work Nix, Shua, Jones..  This progress actually makes me wish I was in Regional politics at the moment.  Perhaps my break from Northeast politics will soon be over Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2012, 05:41:13 pm »
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Mr. Governor, how much are you proposing for the land value tax?
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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2012, 10:59:36 am »
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I'd like to add this:

Income tax
0.0%    $0 - $30,000
1.0%    $30,000 - $60,000
2.0%    $60,000 - $100,000
4.0%    $100,000 - $250,000
6.0%    $250,000 - $1,000,000
8.0%    $1,000,000 +


If you guys have any problems with it, feel free to state them.
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2012, 03:56:39 pm »
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Thank you, Mr. Governor. I assume we're receiving federal funding, but I have absolutely no idea how much.

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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2012, 05:24:05 pm »
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sorry about the federal funding question - somehow I thought you'd asked something else.   Whatever federal funding there is, is directed to certain programs, so there's not much you can do with it as far as deciding how it's spent.
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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2012, 05:33:58 pm »
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Thank you, Shua. Have other regional budgets simply ignored federal funding in the past?
pretty much, except in the case of stimulus funds that weren't already allocated - but any of that has been used up by now.  however, if you need an idea of how much money is spent in the region in a certain area (ex. education), I can let you know.
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