Iran: Discovery will collapse Christianity

[John Dibble]

A dubious claim. Specifically I'd like to know what their evidence for this portion is:

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Even in the unlikely event it did turn out to be authentic, it wouldn't phase Christianity for the most part - most Christians would just ignore it.

[John Dibble]

Christianity is collapsing under the weight of Logic and Reason.

Then why is it that all these "experts" and "scholars", who spend their whole lives forming arguments against Christianity, are batting 0.000?

confusing times, eh?

You once again seem to be confusing the dumb people you link from sensationalist news articles with every expert or scholar who argues against Christianity.

Also, considering the growing atheist movement and the fact that, by your own admission, the western world seems to be falling away from Christianity, can you really say it's 0.000?

[John Dibble]

You once again seem to be confusing the dumb people you link from sensationalist news articles with every expert or scholar who argues against Christianity.

you of all people should know that every numbskull expert and/ scholar referenced on this board over the last ten years, whether by me (rarely) or someone else (usually the case), has been exposed as being an empty suit.

Read the bolded part again.

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And when you find some actual evidence that points out Christianity is true, do let us know. The best arguments against Christianity are the ones that point out the fact that it's completely indemonstrable and as such its claims can't be distinguished from fiction or delusion.

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The falling away of Christianity that is occurring, as prophesied to happen just prior to the reign of the AntiChrist, has to do with the increase of sin, not the fact that arguments against Christianity have increased in validity.[/quote]

You know most of the other atheists I know are former Christians, many of them fundamentalists and evangelicals. Usually the reason they give for not believing any more is that when they looked at things through the light of reason by using logic and evidence they found that they could no longer rationally defend their beliefs.

Christians have been claiming that the end is nigh and the world is falling into sin, that this or that is a portent of what was prophesized in the good book, etc. ever since there have been Christians. Can you give me one good reason to think that you and your ilk are actually right this time?

[John Dibble]

link from sensationalist news articles

Read the bolded part again.

Which sensationalist news articles would that be?  Are you attempting to use this thread as an excuse to claim everything discussed on this board in the last 10 years has been from “sensationalist news articles”?  If so, keep in mind the last 10 years have seen every popular argument represented and dismantled.

No, I'm talking about all the articles you link to talk about "scholars". You keep harping on those.

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So, you’re admitting that after 10 years, with the entire realm of the Intelligentsia at our finger tips, you’ll haven’t seen a single argument to discount Christianity?  In fact, their arguments are so weak, you’ve seen them dismantled effortlessly by Christians novices who have no credentials.  What a surprise.[/quote]

No, I'm not. I'm pointing out that the best arguments against Christianity come from the total lack of evidence.

Also, you can't really prove a negative in most cases. Can you disprove that Mohammed received divine revelation? Can you demonstrate I don't have an invisible, ethereal dragon in my garage? No, you can't, but that doesn't mean such claims should be taken seriously.

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Evidence that the creation account of Genesis is accurate. Geological evidence for a world wide flood. Evidence that resurrection after being dead for three days is even possible. Things like that.

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No, but just because it did not claim it doesn't make the claim any more plausible.

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Having some historical things match up doesn't make the miracle claims any more plausible. You could find some other religion whose texts match up with their historical ages in some ways, but I don't think you'd believe their miracle claims.

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Many of the major figures in the Bible were leaders of their tribes and kingdoms, so it's not odd that they may have had contact with other rules. However, some of them aren't even verified to have existed, at least in the context of the Biblical stories.

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Neither of these is miraculous and could be chalked up to being coincidence.

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The greatest powers of the time in the region it takes place in, not all the greatest powers in all the world.

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Oh, good, you found some expert scholars, from the inside, who can discredit Christianity with their theories.  Please tell us what their theories are.[/quote]

First off I didn't claim they were scholars. You really need to get rid of your horrible habit of putting words in people's mouths. But what those people saw is what I've been pointing out to you for years - that there isn't evidence for the miracle claims of the Bible, that the deity described in the Bible isn't a loving god but a horrible narcissistic monster who love blood, death, and torture, etc.