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« on: September 30, 2014, 07:30:08 am »
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29335861
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2014, 09:46:53 am »
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You mean "New Russia" parliamentary "elections" !?
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2014, 12:41:12 pm »
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You mean "New Russia" parliamentary "elections" !?

More like "New Russia" "parliamentary" "elections".
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2014, 04:57:43 pm »
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The accepted forum term is 'electoral type event'.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2014, 02:42:54 am »
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Its today...

http://www.dw.de/ukraine-rebels-hold-election-in-face-of-international-criticism/a-18034777

The article only deals with Donetsk People's Republic, not Luhansk. Their parliament will be made up of 100 members. Only two parties are competing in the election: Donetsk Republic and Free Donbass. Both groups are tools and committed to secession from Kyiv. No opposition, of course.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2014, 07:56:30 am »
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This is a joke.  After all, they aren't able to hold elections in the part of Novorossiya occupied by the Kiev fascists.
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2014, 03:19:56 am »
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Both groups are tools and committed to secession from Kyiv. No opposition, of course.

They have a foreign policy consensus, no different than the Democrats and Republicans in the US. But there are definitely differences between Donetsk Republic and Free Donbass. Free Donbass, the opposition, is a bit more economically socialist and I would say a bit more 'radical' in general.

This is a joke.  After all, they aren't able to hold elections in the part of Novorossiya occupied by the Kiev fascists.

The rest of Novorossiya will be liberated, all the way up to Odessa oblast and probably including Pridnestrovie (AKA "Transnistria"), after Kiev's next offensive has been defeated. Half of my ancestors lived there and it was pretty easy to see a breakup of the Ukraine coming far in advance. The US government and the EU constantly meddled in Ukrainian politics, overthrowing two southeastern-led governments in ten years. After the atrocities committed by the new Kiev regime's military and fascist death squads, there is no turning back. Full Novorossiyan independence is only a matter of time. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2014, 09:26:16 pm »
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The rest of Novorossiya will be liberated,

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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2014, 09:30:46 pm »
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Donetsk Republic, as the name suggests, seems to be almost an extension of the "state" itself. Like the people in power just declared as an after thought, oh yes, we are a political party as well.

Free Donbass, on the other hand, is made up of Russian National Unity types.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2014, 09:42:50 pm »
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BTW, it has now been pretty much established that they never counted the ballots in Donetsk. Or, at the very least, that the results announced were not based on any count. Basically, the official announced results were achieved by multiplying announced turnout by some percentages rounded to a hundredth of a percentage points. I.e., they first had the percentages and used them to calculate absolute vote numbers and not the other way around.

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2014, 12:11:06 am »
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Freedom is slavery

"Freedom" really does mean slavery in the contemporary Ukraine. Anyone who tries speaking out against the new regime can be tortured and killed by fascist death squads. And the regime is imposing extreme austerity measures that are further impoverishing the country. From reading your posts, it's pretty obvious that you do not care in the slightest about the Ukrainian people. For you, the Ukraine is just another means to engage in Russia-bashing. For those of us that do care, we oppose the new regime in Kiev.

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BTW, it has now been pretty much established that they never counted the ballots in Donetsk. Or, at the very least, that the results announced were not based on any count. Basically, the official announced results were achieved by multiplying announced turnout by some percentages rounded to a hundredth of a percentage points. I.e., they first had the percentages and used them to calculate absolute vote numbers and not the other way around.

Yes, I'm sure that all the regular anti-Russia sources at your fingertips (like the BBC/NPR/CNN) will tell you that this election "wasn't fair," because they don't like the winners. Luckily, Novorossiya does not care in slightest what they think. Novorossiya does not need Western "friends" when it has real friends in the BRICS countries.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2014, 12:30:27 am »
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BTW, it has now been pretty much established that they never counted the ballots in Donetsk. Or, at the very least, that the results announced were not based on any count. Basically, the official announced results were achieved by multiplying announced turnout by some percentages rounded to a hundredth of a percentage points. I.e., they first had the percentages and used them to calculate absolute vote numbers and not the other way around.

Yes, I'm sure that all the regular anti-Russia sources at your fingertips (like the BBC/NPR/CNN) will tell you that this election "wasn't fair," because they don't like the winners. Luckily, Novorossiya does not care in slightest what they think. Novorossiya does not need Western "friends" when it has real friends in the BRICS countries.

As if any country other than Russia and its other Bantustans will ever recognize Novorossiya as a real country, let alone be friends to it.

Personally, I think the main reason that Putin is bothering with Novorossiya is that he felt the need for a confrontation with the West as an excuse for what's going to happen to the Russian economy now that oil prices are collapsing.  Otherwise, I think he would have been satisfied with slicing off the Crimea, as that was something he probably could have achieved without causing a long term disruption.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2014, 12:56:22 am »
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As if any country other than Russia and its other Bantustans will ever recognize Novorossiya as a real country, let alone be friends to it.

Novorossiya will get international recognition precisely because it will eventually be far larger than Pridnestrovie, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Nagorno-Karabakh combined. In fact, it's current population, in the liberated territories, is already around four million. When the entire southeast has been liberated, it will be around 20 million people.

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Personally, I think the main reason that Putin is bothering with Novorossiya is that he felt the need for a confrontation with the West as an excuse for what's going to happen to the Russian economy now that oil prices are collapsing.  Otherwise, I think he would have been satisfied with slicing off the Crimea, as that was something he probably could have achieved without causing a long term disruption.

It's the West that sought a confrontation with Russia by orchestrating another coup to overthrow the Ukraine's previous government. The Crimea reunifying with Russia and Novorossiyan independence are the consequences of the anti-Russia aggression. And this isn't about "Putin." Putin is only one man. He can't magically conjure countries to appear out of thin air. Novorossiya exists because the people living there want it to exist. And they are willing to fight for it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2014, 01:09:41 am »
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The Nuland phone call is conclusive evidence the United States was NOT behind the "coup" and was actually trying to prop up Yanukovych. Despite support from the American financial elite, Yanukovych  was impeached by a majority of the Rada because of his opposition to the right to peacefully protest and his support of police brutality/murder.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2014, 01:50:37 am »
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The Nuland phone call is conclusive evidence the United States was NOT behind the "coup" and was actually trying to prop up Yanukovych.

On the contrary, the Nuland conversation clearly revealed US support for the coup. Nuland wanted Arseniy Yatsenyuk in power. And guess who is now the prime minister? Arseniy Yatsenyuk!

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Despite support from the American financial elite, Yanukovych  was impeached by a majority of the Rada because of his opposition to the right to peacefully protest and his support of police brutality/murder.

The gunfire came from a building controlled by the coup plotters. They fired shots at both the Maidan protesters and the police, mainly to radicalize the Maidan. This was revealed in another leaked conversation between Catherine Ashton and the Estonian foreign minister.
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2014, 02:14:03 am »
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The phone call was made at a time when Yanukovych had offered the opposition (Klitschko and Yatsenyuk) a chance to take the prime ministers office while he remained president. The opposition rejected this offer because the prime minister of Ukraine has no real power. Nuland was pushing them to accept Yanukovych's deal anyway. She was advocating for Yanukovych.

As for the Estonian minister, the woman he claims was his source, Olha Bohomolets, says she never said that.

I will also point out that none of you pro-Russian people gave a damn about all the people who were shot until you thought there was a chance the protesters did it.
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2014, 10:50:12 pm »
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Why US government is letting Russian traitors corrupt people on US soil?
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2014, 11:32:09 pm »
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Why US government is letting Russian traitors corrupt people on US soil?

For the same reason, Mein Kampf is legal in the US Smiley
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