Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014

[You kip if you want to...]

So seems like the No is headed to a 60/40 win. While I think this would probably be the right choice for Scotland, I must say I'm a bit disappointed, because a secession would have been really fun.

For politicos, yes. For actual British people, no.

[afleitch]

So seems like the No is headed to a 60/40 win. While I think this would probably be the right choice for Scotland, I must say I'm a bit disappointed, because a secession would have been really fun.

For politicos, yes. For actual British people, no.

Speak for yourself

[You kip if you want to...]

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#WhyImVotingUKIP

[politicus]

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Hash is this some joke I didn't get? There has never been a requirement in the ToS to write in English and we have had plenty of posts in German and Spanish + comments/sentences in a multitude of others languages.

[MaxQue]

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Hash is this some joke I didn't get? There has never been a requirement in the ToS to write in English and we have had plenty of posts in German and Spanish + comments/sentences in a multitude of others languages.

I saw the message before the edit and the issue is than it was some jumbled and barely intelligible English.

[Hash]

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Hash is this some joke I didn't get? There has never been a requirement in the ToS to write in English and we have had plenty of posts in German and Spanish + comments/sentences in a multitude of others languages.

No, I don't mind posts in foreign languages (to a limited extent) but people need to make an effort to post in at least intelligible English. I don't think this is an unreasonable request to make out of people.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

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Hash is this some joke I didn't get? There has never been a requirement in the ToS to write in English and we have had plenty of posts in German and Spanish + comments/sentences in a multitude of others languages.

No, I don't mind posts in foreign languages (to a limited extent) but people need to make an effort to post in at least intelligible English. I don't think this is an unreasonable request to make out of people.

That's terrible news for Ed Miliband

[Simfan34]

Amusingly, a yes to Yes meant, that Scots were no Scots any longer, because they were not aware of their wallets...

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http://youtu.be/ORj3wImDhLk

[Antonio the Sixth]

Amusingly, a yes to Yes meant, that Scots were no Scots any longer, because they were not aware of their wallets...

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http://youtu.be/ORj3wImDhLk

Hahahahaha, it never gets old.

[Tender Branson]

Looks like there's a 2nd TV-debate tomorrow at 21:30 CEST on BBC.

Maybe Alex Salmond has studied his 1st debate (fail ?) and comes out swinging ... !?

If Salmond has a more or less good performance, then I could see this thing getting quite close.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Depends on whether he makes a coherent response to the currency issue.

[afleitch]

Depends on whether he makes a coherent response to the currency issue.

Here's the interesting thing, the polls a week after the debate, after the issue of the currency had been talked about ad nauseam to the point that it was apparently the end of Salmond's career, narrowed. I think standing his ground actually worked retrospectively.

[YL]

This debate seems to be mainly Salmond and Darling shouting over each other.

[afleitch]

I'm happy with how that turned out.

[YL]

Guardian/ICM poll on the debate has 71% saying Salmond won, 29% Darling.

[You kip if you want to...]

Guardian/ICM poll on the debate has 71% saying Salmond won, 29% Darling.

Well if shouty Salmond had let anybody get a word in edgeways...

[Paleobrazilian]

Salmond had to be aggressive and he was. Anyway, the polls might tighten, but he'll still lose.

[afleitch]

Guardian/ICM poll on the debate has 71% saying Salmond won, 29% Darling.

Well if shouty Salmond had let anybody get a word in edgeways...

He wasn't particularly shouty in either debate. I'll take the 51-49 to no voting intention with ICM. It's a good start.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Yeah Salmond definitely had the advantage from what I watched (although I changed channel after a while, the bitching on both sides was giving me a headache).

[You kip if you want to...]

Darling was much less calm and collected than in the first debate, from the get-go. He seemed constantly rattled and the audience didn't exactly seem the most balanced lot.

[YL]

Guardian/ICM poll on the debate has 71% saying Salmond won, 29% Darling.

Well if shouty Salmond had let anybody get a word in edgeways...

He wasn't particularly shouty in either debate. I'll take the 51-49 to no voting intention with ICM. It's a good start.

I didn't see the first debate, but he was shouty last night.  But Darling was aggressive too (all that pointing) so Salmond didn't lose out from it.  Darling came across as obsessed with the currency issue, bringing it up at every opportunity, and the audience weren't impressed.

From an English non-Tory perspective an awful lot of what Salmond says is more an argument for having a better government in Westminster than for Scottish independence.  So it surprises me that you seem so enthusiastic about his campaign.

NB the 51-49 is from ICM's post-debate poll, which was a sample of those who watched the debate, not of the electorate.

[You kip if you want to...]

Guardian/ICM poll on the debate has 71% saying Salmond won, 29% Darling.

Well if shouty Salmond had let anybody get a word in edgeways...

He wasn't particularly shouty in either debate. I'll take the 51-49 to no voting intention with ICM. It's a good start.

From an English non-Tory perspective an awful lot of what Salmond says is more an argument for having a better government in Westminster than for Scottish independence.  So it surprises me that you seem so enthusiastic about his campaign.

From an English Labourite, Salmond's agenda just seems needlessly divisive. As much as Cameron's agenda is divisive, just in a different way.

[Phony Moderate]

That's another tactical error by Better Together - ignoring that a solid third or so of the Scottish population have supported independence since the early 80s and implying that the idea was fringe until 2007. The break-up of the union isn't anymore solely Salmond's campaign/idea than the preservation of the union is Darling's.

[Keystone Phil]

Celtic must win today. Independence depends on it.

[Keystone Phil]

That's terrible news for Alex Salmond.