Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014

[afleitch]

Can you feel the love?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10202662622079088

[Hatman 🍁]

Is there going to be a "unity rally"?

[afleitch]

Is there going to be a "unity rally"?

Probably not. Cameron, Miliband and Clegg are here on Wednesday. Nigel Farage is here on Friday and the Orange Order are marching 15,000 to 25,000 strong in Edinburgh at the weekend.

[You kip if you want to...]

Is there going to be a "unity rally"?

Probably not. Cameron, Miliband and Clegg are here on Wednesday. Nigel Farage is here on Friday and the Orange Order are marching 15,000 to 25,000 strong in Edinburgh at the weekend.

Will there be a 'secession rally'?

[afleitch]

Is there going to be a "unity rally"?

Probably not. Cameron, Miliband and Clegg are here on Wednesday. Nigel Farage is here on Friday and the Orange Order are marching 15,000 to 25,000 strong in Edinburgh at the weekend.

Will there be a 'secession rally'?

There was supposed to be one in the middle of last month, but the decision was made to divert the cost (which would have been near six figures) into canvassing.

[CJK]

There was a time when Scots rejected independence:

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http://allthingsliberty.com/2013/10/scotland-american-revolution/

[You kip if you want to...]

One thing that worries me as a No supporter is that in the 2011 election, the pollsters (although they picked up the SNP surge) were miles of on the result. YouGov had the SNP at 35%!

[Iosif]

I hope they vote yes. All the No campaign ran on was over the top scare mongering which has backfired as the Scots are going to vote yes to prove a point.

The leadership of all the Westminster parties are horrific. Completely botched this up. Watch them makes things worse. The thought of having to vote for one of them next year...

Scotland will be fine. They're set up a lot better than half the nomark countries in Europe.

[You kip if you want to...]

As a student, just wondering if Scotland votes Yes, will rUK students starting at Scottish universities within days lose support from Student Finance England post-independence in 2016?

Also worth noting while im on the topic, that most new students/returning students at new Scottish addresses, won't be registered to vote with the week of the referendum being the week many students return to university. A good few thousand rUKers living in Scotland going without the vote next Thursday...

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Ed Miliband calls for locations all around England to raise the Scottish saltire in "solidarity" with Scotland.  Cameron assents and starts raising it above Downing Street.  In the first try to get it up, it falls to the ground after it gets half way up the flagpole.  Metaphor ensues?

Shouldn't Tories be eager to get rid off Scotland?

[You kip if you want to...]

Ed Miliband calls for locations all around England to raise the Scottish saltire in "solidarity" with Scotland.  Cameron assents and starts raising it above Downing Street.  In the first try to get it up, it falls to the ground after it gets half way up the flagpole.  Metaphor ensues?

Shouldn't Tories be eager to get rid off Scotland?

You'd think, but the Tories have always been very keen on "Queen and country".

[ingemann]

Ed Miliband calls for locations all around England to raise the Scottish saltire in "solidarity" with Scotland.  Cameron assents and starts raising it above Downing Street.  In the first try to get it up, it falls to the ground after it gets half way up the flagpole.  Metaphor ensues?

Shouldn't Tories be eager to get rid off Scotland?

Well I guess the Scottish are the price you have to pay for all that sweet oil and gas

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Most people aren't that sociopathic.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

A good few thousand rUKers living in Scotland going without the vote next Thursday...

Over 700,000 actually.

[Keystone Phil]

In other news, Prime Ministers Question Time is being suspended tomorrow with the party leaders travelling up to Scotland.

I'm even beating Mr. Scotland/Yes to the punch on breaking news here. 

[bore]

There's a big difference between Scotland's constitutional status and that of America before the revolution.

Can you feel the love?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10202662622079088

I thought that was quite funny.

[Famous Mortimer]

I thought it was commonly accepted that the movement for independence only really started becoming serious after devolution and that devolution had the opposite of its intended effect.

That being the case, why the hell is the No campaign offering more autonomy no matter what?

I'm a Unionist sympathizer but at this point, if I lived in Scotland, I would actually consider voting yes just because a unitary Scottish government would be better than the ridiculous proposals for near-total-but-not quite independence. What's the point of that?

[Famous Mortimer]

They're basically saying "please don't vote against the union...and in return we will make the union totally meaningless."

[njwes]

LOL

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11086121/Independent-Scotland-wont-pay-back-debt-Alex-Salmond-says.html

Maybe getting a tad too cocky?

[politicus]

A good few thousand rUKers living in Scotland going without the vote next Thursday...

Over 700,000 actually.

What sounds very high. Who are they? And is this something the SNP did on purpose or just the result of some technical requirement in British election legislation?

[afleitch]

A good few thousand rUKers living in Scotland going without the vote next Thursday...

Over 700,000 actually.

What sounds very high. Who are they? And is this something the SNP did on purpose or just the result of some technical requirement in British election legislation?

If you are registered to vote in Scotland you can vote in the referendum. That's it.

[afleitch]

All three leaders are here but at separate events so far. No sign yet of them meeting together. John Prescott is in Rutherglen and made a joke about the English and Scottish football team coming together to 'beat the Germans' and went off message attacking the Tories (to his credit, you can't stop him!)

Cameron in Edinburgh says don't vote Yes just so you can 'kick the effing Tories'. His event is closed off. 'Yessers' are outside. It's like a strange carnival. Jim Sillars is entertaining the Socialists and Greens.

[ChrisDR68]

I'm of the view if it ain't broke don't fix it. The United Kingdom as it stands works pretty well overall for all the different countries of the union.

Having said that if the Scots vote for independence the Westminster government really should insist that Scotland will have to have it's own currency.

Using the UK's currency makes no sense for Scotland. Independence should mean true financial independence as well as political sovereignty.

[You kip if you want to...]

I'm of the view if it ain't broke don't fix it. The United Kingdom as it stands works pretty well overall for all the different countries of the union.

Having said that if the Scots vote for independence the Westminster government really should insist that Scotland will have to have it's own currency.

Using the UK's currency makes no sense for Scotland. Independence should mean true financial independence as well as political sovereignty.

Well exactly. They can't ask for independence just as long as they can keep the good bits of the union. The rUK public wouldn't have it.

[CJK]

There's a big difference between Scotland's constitutional status and that of America before the revolution.

I'm not sure why that matters. I only bring it up because, as a matter of history, I think it is notable that Scotland was far more opposed to American independence than England, Wales, or Ireland was.

https://archive.org/stream/historyofengland03leck#page/533/mode/1up