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Dereich
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« on: May 27, 2012, 03:47:23 PM »

2 state solution with 1967 borders with land swaps. A divided Jerusalem would be the capital of both countries, divided on ethnic/religious lines. The Palestinians would have no military, along the lines of Japan after World War II. The borders of the new Palestine would be manned by an international force, probably a UN force possibly one of a third party (I think the British were mentioned at one point). As for the right of return, a small number of refugees will be allowed to return, the rest will be compensated with money. This money should be in part provided by Israel and in part by the international community. We in America should provide a big chunk of it, as peace in the middle east would be worth the cost.
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2012, 04:23:10 PM »
« Edited: May 27, 2012, 04:28:03 PM by Dereich »

Why should the Palestinians be barred from having a military?

Because the Israelis get their knickers in a twist over the idea of a Palestinian army on their borders. There was something in the Palestine Papers where the Israelis were saying that they would never allow a Palestine with a military that had offensive capabilities and wanted to keep IDF soldiers stationed in the new Palestine, and what I said was one of the proposed compromises. Neither side likes it of course, but then again neither side likes anything but completely getting their way.

Here's an article about it on Al Jazzera: http://www.aljazeera.com/palestinepapers/2011/01/201112512170239319.html
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 09:12:38 AM »
« Edited: May 29, 2012, 09:55:23 AM by Dereich »

Give Palestine to Jordan & Egypt, bribe them with some money and let them deal with the fallout.

Really, this is pretty much the only solution that has a possibility of working. Egypt (assuming it doesn't have a radical takeover) is powerful enough to administer Gaza, and the Jordan situation has been the elephant in the room for a very long time.

Really, Jordan should be Palestine. The fact that this is never brought up - especially considering the Hashemite regime's crimes against Palestinians - is pretty indicative of the global bias.

That might have been possible at the beginning, but not now. Like it or not the Palestinian people are united by a shared national identity, in large part due to the occupation. And I don't see why you think that would be an idea that would work. Even with a long standing peace treaty with Jordan the Israelis still keep large numbers of troops in occupied territory manning that border. What makes you think they would be content with allowing the Jordanian army so close to the heart of their country? As for Egypt, the current peace deal keeps the Egyptian army out of the Sinai for the same reason, so how are they supposed to prevent attacks on Israel from Gaza? I seriously doubt Israel is more happy to have two more foreign armies stationed on its border.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 04:29:14 PM »

Give Palestine to Jordan & Egypt, bribe them with some money and let them deal with the fallout.

Really, this is pretty much the only solution that has a possibility of working. Egypt (assuming it doesn't have a radical takeover) is powerful enough to administer Gaza, and the Jordan situation has been the elephant in the room for a very long time.

Really, Jordan should be Palestine. The fact that this is never brought up - especially considering the Hashemite regime's crimes against Palestinians - is pretty indicative of the global bias.

That might have been possible at the beginning, but not now. Like it or not the Palestinian people are united by a shared national identity, in large part due to the occupation. And I don't see why you think that would be an idea that would work. Even with a long standing peace treaty with Jordan the Israelis still keep large numbers of troops in occupied territory manning that border. What makes you think they would be content with allowing the Jordanian army so close to the heart of their country? As for Egypt, the current peace deal keeps the Egyptian army out of the Sinai for the same reason, so how are they supposed to prevent attacks on Israel from Gaza? I seriously doubt Israel is more happy to have two more foreign armies stationed on its border.
Israel may be unhappy with a lot of things, like other people living near them, but they are going to have to deal with it.

It just points to the crux of the argument against the "three state solution". It makes absolutely no one happy. The Egyptians, Jordanians, Palestinians, and Israelis would all be unhappy with it. It probably wouldn't even stop the violence, as the Jordanians and Egyptians wouldn't really be inclined to waste blood and treasure to keep unruly Palestinians (who they never even wanted) in line. A one state solution runs into the same problems. A two state solution with an independent Israel and Palestine is really the only way to have a peaceful solution.
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