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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2012, 03:04:54 pm »
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Why would Assembly Democrats prefer a Republican state senate? I'd assume Democrats would want to control both chambers.
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2012, 03:08:31 pm »
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Why would Assembly Democrats prefer a Republican state senate? I'd assume Democrats would want to control both chambers.

Assembly Democrats get to gerrymander their own chamber in exchange. So the majority parties of both chambers vote for this. So it easily passes, but would fail a veto override.
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2012, 03:24:37 pm »
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Why would Assembly Democrats prefer a Republican state senate? I'd assume Democrats would want to control both chambers.

Assembly Democrats get to gerrymander their own chamber in exchange. So the majority parties of both chambers vote for this. So it easily passes, but would fail a veto override.

If passing legislation requires an identical version of a bill to pass through both chambers, what good would it do to vote to gerrymander half the state legislature out of your control?

Wouldn't NY democrats be better off with 55% of both chambers rather than 65% of the Assembly and 45-49% of the senate?
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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2012, 03:25:37 pm »
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Senate Democrats don't really care. Their caucus is a trainwreck anyway.
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2012, 06:24:29 pm »
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Why would Assembly Democrats prefer a Republican state senate? I'd assume Democrats would want to control both chambers.

Assembly Democrats get to gerrymander their own chamber in exchange. So the majority parties of both chambers vote for this. So it easily passes, but would fail a veto override.

If passing legislation requires an identical version of a bill to pass through both chambers, what good would it do to vote to gerrymander half the state legislature out of your control?

Wouldn't NY democrats be better off with 55% of both chambers rather than 65% of the Assembly and 45-49% of the senate?

If no bill was passed, a court would draw the map. The Democrats would lose Assembly seats, but be sure to take control of the Senate.
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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2012, 10:30:21 pm »
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Proof the Atlas doesn't represent America. Or even the liberal Northeast. Andrew Cuomo, FF.
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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2012, 11:27:12 pm »
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As someone is liberal NY Democrat, I don't know what some of the complaints about Cuomo are really about.  He has done an excellent job as Governor.  The Pension reform thing was no big deal, and well this isn't Wisconsin in going after teachers making $40-$50K. 

Casing point my current county legislator (Republican Joe Belesi) is a retired Nassau County Cop, rakes in a six figure pension, and got a pay out of $432,000 when he retired from the force (though that was more due to a screwed up county system than state system, put in place by former county exec Republican Tom Gullotta)
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« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2012, 11:29:14 pm »
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Wouldn't NY democrats be better off with 55% of both chambers rather than 65% of the Assembly and 45-49% of the senate?

Not members of the NY State Assembly.
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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2012, 01:39:19 am »
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Self-preservation is at the forefront of almost everyone's mind in Albany and no one wants to risk being that 10% who gets "shaved off". So they prefer to draw their own seats to avoid any concerns about their jobs. Even if it constrains the power of the party, it preserves the power of numero uno and that is all that matters in their eyes.
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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2012, 02:28:32 am »
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He's a mediocrity. Always has been.
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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2012, 03:15:09 am »
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So he's most popular in the suburbs? That's interesting.
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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2012, 09:27:33 pm »
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So he's most popular in the suburbs? That's interesting.

72-15 and 76-12 is basically semantics, but his popularity in the suburbs isn't exactly that surprising.  The property tax cap was quite popular here, especially considering the average property taxes in the core NYC suburban counties are $10-12,000.  Also the suburbs are socially liberal, most of the same sex marriage polls showed the support in the suburbs slightly higher than NYC proper.
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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2012, 09:39:14 pm »
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So he's most popular in the suburbs? That's interesting.

72-15 and 76-12 is basically semantics, but his popularity in the suburbs isn't exactly that surprising.  The property tax cap was quite popular here, especially considering the average property taxes in the core NYC suburban counties are $10-12,000.  Also the suburbs are socially liberal, most of the same sex marriage polls showed the support in the suburbs slightly higher than NYC proper.

People like NY Jew in the city, lots of conservative Orthodox Jews. Also minorities that aren't very socially liberal and Staten Island of course.
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« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2012, 03:40:24 pm »
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He's a mediocrity. Always has been.

Case proved. He's an excellent administrator. The Democrats have a lot of people I could see myself voting for in 2016- Schweitzer, Cuomo, Booker, Clinton...
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« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2012, 06:18:28 pm »
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New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo gets a 71 - 16 percent approval rating today, the highest score for an Empire State governor since Gov. George Pataki hit 81 - 12 percent in the wake of 9/11, and continuing Gov. Cuomo's year-long trend with the highest approval rating of any governor in the seven states surveyed by the Quinnipiac University poll.

Voters support 79 - 18 percent, including 61 - 34 percent among Republicans, raising the minimum wage, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

Cuomo's job approval is 68 - 20 percent among Republicans, 76 - 11 percent among Democrats and 69 - 19 percent among independent voters, 71 - 15 percent among Protestants, 71 - 18 percent among Catholics and 83 - 9 percent among Jews. There is no gender or racial gap. Approval is 68 - 19 percent upstate, 72 - 15 percent in New York City and 76 - 12 percent in the suburbs.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/new-york-state/release-detail?ReleaseID=1755
that poll is worthless when it comes to the Jews (it way underestimates Orthodox Jews like almost all these polls do)
Most Jews aren't Orthodox, so yeah....
according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY according to the Berman Institute there are 1,635,020 Jews in NY.

now learn math.
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« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2012, 08:00:41 pm »
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according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
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« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2012, 10:15:26 pm »
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according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.
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« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2012, 10:42:46 pm »
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according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Those numbers don't even add up to half of 1,635,020. Now learn math.
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« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2012, 08:28:48 am »
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http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."
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http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."

The rest are not jews. They are self hating anti semites.
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http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."
the rest are secular and don't identify with any type of Judaism.
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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2012, 03:08:31 pm »
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according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Those numbers don't even add up to half of 1,635,020. Now learn math.
did I say half?
I said that it underestimates the Orthodox vote in short more then 9% of NYS must disapprove of Coumo based on the fact that these numbers are not true because just based on the Orthodox numbers (even using a conservative 50% "Orthodox Jewish Coumo unapproval rating") alone it should be higher then 9% for Coumo's unapproval rating.
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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2012, 03:33:01 pm »
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according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Those numbers don't even add up to half of 1,635,020. Now learn math.
did I say half?
I said that it underestimates the Orthodox vote in short more then 9% of NYS must disapprove of Coumo based on the fact that these numbers are not true because just based on the Orthodox numbers (even using a conservative 50% "Orthodox Jewish Coumo unapproval rating") alone it should be higher then 9% for Coumo's unapproval rating.

You listed two numbers, one of which was a number of Orthodox Jews, the other a number of all Jews, in implicit response to the statement that most New York Jews aren't Orthodox. Sadly for you, those numbers confirmed that most New York Jews are, in fact, not Orthodox. 35.99% is not 'most'. Then you further itemized it in a way that didn't add up to your total.
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« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2012, 05:30:12 pm »
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http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."
the rest are secular and don't identify with any type of Judaism.

You are incorrect to say that Jews who are not adherents to synagogues "don't identify with any type of Judaism." Maybe their identification as Jews is meaningless to you and other Orthodox Jews, but you don't get to decide how they self-identify, and you certainly don't get to apply this to polls where self-identification is the issue and they are counted as Jews. After all, the Satmars would consider you a goy.
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« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2012, 05:44:07 pm »
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according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Those numbers don't even add up to half of 1,635,020. Now learn math.
did I say half?
I said that it underestimates the Orthodox vote in short more then 9% of NYS must disapprove of Coumo based on the fact that these numbers are not true because just based on the Orthodox numbers (even using a conservative 50% "Orthodox Jewish Coumo unapproval rating") alone it should be higher then 9% for Coumo's unapproval rating.

You listed two numbers, one of which was a number of Orthodox Jews, the other a number of all Jews, in implicit response to the statement that most New York Jews aren't Orthodox. Sadly for you, those numbers confirmed that most New York Jews are, in fact, not Orthodox. 35.99% is not 'most'. Then you further itemized it in a way that didn't add up to your total.
but his response was to my statement that this poll underestimates Orthodox Jews.  which is why I posted what I did. 
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