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« on: May 31, 2012, 11:29:47 pm »
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http://theothermccain.com/2012/05/15/distraction-tactic-backfires-romney-gains-in-polls-after-obama-gay-shift/

A New York Times article indicates voters are starting to see through Obama's motives.

Most Americans suspect that President Obama was motivated by politics, not policy, when he declared his support for same-sex marriage, according to a new poll released on Monday, suggesting that the unplanned way it was announced shaped public attitudes.
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 11:41:06 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 11:45:10 pm »
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Finally!
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 11:47:18 pm »
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Romney has never done something for political reasons.
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2012, 11:49:11 pm »
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I'm always amazed by this argument. "You just support big social advancements in minority rights that have historically done very poorly at the ballot box and until recently the majority of Americans were against because you're a political opportunist!"

Is the issue here that he hid it for political reasons up until this point? I just don't get this stupid line of reasoning or how it's apparently so pervasive among Republicans. Someone please explain what the accusation is, here, or how it has any internal logic.
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 11:52:18 pm »
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Yes consider it a victory that your hackery has silenced me for now...
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 12:00:18 am »
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Yes consider it a victory that your hackery has silenced me for now...

Actually, I think you mean my logic and spot on analysis.
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 12:01:18 am »
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Yes consider it a victory that your hackery has silenced me for now...

Actually, I think you mean my logic and spot on analysis.

No, I really don't
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 03:19:51 am »
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Winfield, you of all people most certainly do not want to be attacking a politician for apparently shifting positions on an issue for the sake of political expediency.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 06:05:00 am »
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Winfield, you of all people most certainly do not want to be attacking a politician for apparently shifting positions on an issue for the sake of political expediency.

Particularly the candidate who promised to be more liberal on gay rights than Ted Kennedy in 1994.
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 06:17:36 am »
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Winfield, you of all people most certainly do not want to be attacking a politician for apparently shifting positions on an issue for the sake of political expediency.

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2012, 07:21:15 am »
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This is the true measure of how far we've come as a nation. In like five years, the prime talking point from Republicans about people who support gay marriage has gone from, 'It will destroy society via turtle [inks]ing,' to, 'Oh, of course you're for it. You'll say anything popular to get re-elected.' That is progress.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2012, 08:10:53 am »
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Winfield you can't even talk about political expediency if you support Mitt Romney. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2012, 09:14:20 am »
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Forty years from now, Republicans are going to cite Bill Weld against conservative southern Dems to prove that they were really the part of equality who made same-sex marriage possible.
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2012, 10:03:29 am »
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The article you linked to is pretty weaksauce, considering the relatively decent amount of data out there post-decision.
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2012, 10:41:13 am »
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The article you linked to is pretty weaksauce, considering the relatively decent amount of data out there post-decision.

To be fair, he does have a point. We'll just have to wait and see if there are more polls like in CO/NV/IA recently.
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2012, 10:45:27 am »
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I once listened to the radio and they said that Obama's daughters have friends with gay parents, and that Obama annouced his support because of them.
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2012, 09:24:21 pm »
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I once listened to the radio and they said that Obama's daughters have friends with gay parents, and that Obama annouced his support because of them.

Oh, that's all America needs in these trying times, when we need a President Americans expect decisive leadership from, instead, what we get is a President who announces that he supports gay marriage, one of the most divisive and polarizing social issues ever in the history of the nation, based on the wishes of his two young daughters, as delightful as they are, who have friends with gay parents.

America deserves better than this.
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2012, 09:30:11 pm »
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I once listened to the radio and they said that Obama's daughters have friends with gay parents, and that Obama annouced his support because of them.

Oh, that's all America needs in these trying times, when we need a President Americans expect decisive leadership from, instead, what we get is a President who announces that he supports gay marriage, one of the most divisive and polarizing social issues ever in the history of the nation, based on the wishes of his two young daughters, as delightful as they are, who have friends with gay parents.

America deserves better than this.

Gosh, Mr. Winfield! I didn't know it was illegal to decide your opinions based on personal experience! Guess I'd better recalculate all of my core beliefs.
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2012, 09:54:46 pm »
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Every politican has done something like that, name one that HASN'T.
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2012, 10:02:21 pm »
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That's all fine, and I do not have a problem with that,  but I am talking about leadership, and in this particular scenario, I don't see that as leadership, basing your decision on the fact your young children, who are very impressionable, have friends who have gay parents.
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2012, 11:40:34 pm »
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That's all fine, and I do not have a problem with that,  but I am talking about leadership, and in this particular scenario, I don't see that as leadership, basing your decision on the fact your young children, who are very impressionable, have friends who have gay parents.

Very impressionable, friends with gay parents... So you're saying that his daughters were corrupted by TEH GAY AGENDA!!!1!1!1!!! into believing in equality because they saw these people are just like everybody else?
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2012, 11:50:02 pm »
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Nah, I'd say their liberal school teachers are behind it, as is the case here in Canada. They try to "educate" the social conservative right out of you.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2012, 12:20:17 am »
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I once listened to the radio and they said that Obama's daughters have friends with gay parents, and that Obama annouced his support because of them.

Oh, that's all America needs in these trying times, when we need a President Americans expect decisive leadership from, instead, what we get is a President who announces that he supports gay marriage, one of the most divisive and polarizing social issues ever in the history of the nation, based on the wishes of his two young daughters, as delightful as they are, who have friends with gay parents.

America deserves better than this.

Oh you mean leadership!  Like a guy saying he is for gay marriage and that he is more liberal than Ted Kennedy....Then a few years later runs for a different office and says he is a conservative?  How great a leadership style!
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2012, 12:29:26 am »
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Don't get cute.

I said nothing about corruption, I didn't even imply it, you are the one putting your own spin on what I said.

I am talking about leadership, and if that is something you choose not to understand, that is up to you.      
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