Kansas pastor: The government "should kill homosexuals"

[Progressive Realist]

Despicable, inhumane, uncivilized.

Those are the words Tom Witt, executive director of the Kansas Equality Commission, used Thursday to describe this past Sunday’s sermon by a Seneca pastor calling for the killing of homosexuals.

Witt denounced the words of New Hope Baptist Church Pastor Curtis Knapp.

“Controversial is a mild way of putting it,” Witt said. “It is completely uncivilized to be calling for the execution of gay and lesbian Kansans. This is just part of the attitude that has been given free reign in this state by the far right.”

The firestorm stems from a 62-minute sermon by Knapp that has become national news.

In the sermon, Knapp cites Scripture to back up his point and said among other things: “They should be put to death. That’s what happened in Israel. That’s why homosexuality wouldn’t have grown in Israel. It tends to limit conversations. It tends to limit people coming out of the closet.

“So, you’re saying we should go out and start killing them? No. I’m saying the government should. They won’t, but they should.”

More:
http://cjonline.com/news/2012-05-31/pastors-anti-gay-sermon-creates-firestorm

Somehow, I'm not surprised that this was said. The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

[Simfan34]

What?

[ZuWo]

Despicable, inhumane, uncivilized.

I agree.

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

[dialectical fetishist]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Um, yes. Have you seen some of the stuff religious right GOPers have said on the matter?

[ZuWo]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Um, yes. Have you seen some of the stuff religious right GOPers have said on the matter?

Not really. Can you provide quotes, please?

For my part, I have never come across any fellow Christian who holds such views, be it in Switzerland or other (Western) countries. If anything, what this man says is a fringe view.

[Governor Scott]

Two pastors in one month?

This is just sad.  Sad beyond words.

[Torie]

I wonder if the pastor gave any thought to how offing all the gays will impact the solvency of Social Security. Well, he probably wants to dump that Godless unbiblical scheme too, so I guess the matter is moot. In the meantime, if we could just get him to go a bit farther, we can push him into the crimbo zone, and he can then discover that doing what gays do can actually be rather pleasurable. That maybe will cause an epiphany for him. Now, let us bend our heads in prayer.

[afleitch]

Two pastors in one month?

This is just sad.  Sad beyond words.

There's more this week;

Indiana Pastor says gay marriage leads to abuse of children. “A decision to allow same-sex marriages today lays the foundation for the definition of marriage to become Silly Putty tomorrow capable of endless reshaping in the future,” says Pastor Paul Brewster. “That, in turn, is a recipe for children to be made victims of all sorts of abuse and the welfare of our society to receive a fatal blow.”

Maryland Pastor says his ‘flesh’ likes the idea of killing gays. Dennis Leatherman shouts, “Kill them all. Right? I will be very honest with you. My flesh kind of likes that idea. But it grieves the Holy Spirit. It violates Scripture.”

At church, a child sings “ain’t no homo gonna make it to heaven” — in the same town where a fifteen year old killed himself after being bullied for being perceived of as gay by his classmates. Pastor Jeff Sangl of the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle cheers on.

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It's very real. And this rhetoric needs to be aired in public. These f-ckers need to be shamed.

[dialectical fetishist]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Um, yes. Have you seen some of the stuff religious right GOPers have said on the matter?

Not really. Can you provide quotes, please?

For my part, I have never come across any fellow Christian who holds such views, be it in Switzerland or other (Western) countries. If anything, what this man says is a fringe view.

Read some of the quotes afleitch posted just above me, even.

[Comrade Shmoo]

And we ask the Lord that he bring Mr. Rogers back, so that he may teach these assholes the error of their ways. Amen.

[Svensson]

Oh, hey, another Kansan church full of nutcase homophobes. Joy of heavenly [Inks]ing joys.

[ZuWo]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Um, yes. Have you seen some of the stuff religious right GOPers have said on the matter?

Not really. Can you provide quotes, please?

For my part, I have never come across any fellow Christian who holds such views, be it in Switzerland or other (Western) countries. If anything, what this man says is a fringe view.

Read some of the quotes afleitch posted just above me, even.

I did, and I disapprove of what these men said. Yet, these comments do not justify the claim that these men express what "many in the Christian right" believe - just like it doesn't make sense to say that Osama bin Laden's message that unbelievers should be killed is representative of how "many Muslims" think or that the Weather Underground did what is in the "hearts of many liberal activists". Of course you will always come across people like the above-mentioned pastors as there are crazy extremists that can be associated with every political or religious movement, but please don't lump everyone together.

[Vasall des Midas]

That’s why homosexuality wouldn’t have grown in Israel. It tends to limit conversations. It tends to limit people coming out of the closet.

Interesting line of thought there - nothing wrong with practicing homosexuality as long as non-homosexuals are not molested by awareness of it, which is such a deadly terrible crime that the offenders ought to be put to death?

[Cory]

For my part, I have never come across any fellow Christian who holds such views, be it in Switzerland or other (Western) countries. If anything, what this man says is a fringe view.

You should spend more time in the South.

[Senator Kalwejt]

In the sermon, Knapp cites Scripture to back up his point and said among other things: “They should be put to death. That’s what happened in Israel. That’s why homosexuality wouldn’t have grown in Israel.

He's not just disguisting. He's ignorant as well.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Well, I just gotta tell these guys that "he who smelt it, dealt it".  I know some guys on campus that can help them clear things up...

[TheReporter]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Yes, he did.

There is no way one can reasonably believe that gays are morally "ok" people and yet continue to oppose their marriage, to do so would be to stand against values of equality and liberty. Conversely, there is no way one can find gayness to be morally wrong and not want their extermination. While I'm as relativist as they come, I'd like to think that if I found something wrong, I'd want to get rid of it- and what this pastor is saying is the "logical" continuation of that. Don't really go and try to tell me all of these people opposing gay marriage are a-okay with gays. That would be like saying Southerners, despite Jim Crow, were perfectly fine with black people.

It is a sign of the values of our times that more people cannot come out and say such things- but just because they don't doesn't mean they don't think such things. Today it is, thankfully, a bit more unacceptable to hold certain views, thanks to popular culture, but sadly I think the "silent majority" is alive and well.

[Torie]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Yes, he did.

There is no way one can reasonably believe that gays are morally "ok" people and yet continue to oppose their marriage, to do so would be to stand against values of equality and liberty. Conversely, there is no way one can find gayness to be morally wrong and not want their extermination. While I'm as relativist as they come, I'd like to think that if I found something wrong, I'd want to get rid of it- and what this pastor is saying is the "logical" continuation of that. Don't really go and try to tell me all of these people opposing gay marriage are a-okay with gays. That would be like saying Southerners, despite Jim Crow, were perfectly fine with black people.

It is a sign of the values of our times that more people cannot come out and say such things- but just because they don't doesn't mean they don't think such things. Today it is, thankfully, a bit more unacceptable to hold certain views, thanks to popular culture, but sadly I think the "silent majority" is alive and well.

Well there are other arguments against gay marriage, albeit specious ones, that gay marriage will undermine hetero marriage, and procreation, and the rearing of kids with a mom and a dad, blah, blah, blah, even if gay sex is not morally wrong. As to much of the balance of your post, it sounds like the mentality in New Amsterdam, where the only ones in prison were debtors. Other than that, the only penalties were fines and execution. No, I am not making this up. Generally, most of us don't think most "bad people" should be executed.

[ZuWo]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Yes, he did.

There is no way one can reasonably believe that gays are morally "ok" people and yet continue to oppose their marriage, to do so would be to stand against values of equality and liberty. Conversely, there is no way one can find gayness to be morally wrong and not want their extermination. While I'm as relativist as they come, I'd like to think that if I found something wrong, I'd want to get rid of it- and what this pastor is saying is the "logical" continuation of that. Don't really go and try to tell me all of these people opposing gay marriage are a-okay with gays. That would be like saying Southerners, despite Jim Crow, were perfectly fine with black people.

It is a sign of the values of our times that more people cannot come out and say such things- but just because they don't doesn't mean they don't think such things. Today it is, thankfully, a bit more unacceptable to hold certain views, thanks to popular culture, but sadly I think the "silent majority" is alive and well.

With all due respect, your post, especially the parts in bold print, is absurd. Let me show this to you with a political example: According to your logic, a staunch socialist who disapproves of the Republican Party because he considers the values of conservatives (or "neoliberals" as he might label them) "morally wrong" should be inclined to have conservatives "exterminated". Does that make sense?

[Cathcon]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Yes, he did.

There is no way one can reasonably believe that gays are morally "ok" people and yet continue to oppose their marriage, to do so would be to stand against values of equality and liberty. Conversely, there is no way one can find gayness to be morally wrong and not want their extermination. While I'm as relativist as they come, I'd like to think that if I found something wrong, I'd want to get rid of it- and what this pastor is saying is the "logical" continuation of that. Don't really go and try to tell me all of these people opposing gay marriage are a-okay with gays. That would be like saying Southerners, despite Jim Crow, were perfectly fine with black people.

It is a sign of the values of our times that more people cannot come out and say such things- but just because they don't doesn't mean they don't think such things. Today it is, thankfully, a bit more unacceptable to hold certain views, thanks to popular culture, but sadly I think the "silent majority" is alive and well.

BoyPerson, you are just completely f#ckin' hilarious. I suppose since I oppose gay marriage I want to f#ckin' exterminate them too. That's completely ridiculous. As well, I don't know if you've heard of something called "tolerance", where you don't like something, but you also don't kill them for it. As well, you do know it's possible to be in the same room as homosexuals, and still be an opponent of gay marriage? I've done it and my family has done it. It's not that hard, and don't pretend like everyone who opposes gay marriage wants a f#ckin' holocaust. I suppose that means any Christian who views Judaism or Islam as the "wrong" religion wants to kill all members of said religion and vice-versa. Continuing, shouldn't anyone who believes anything that might contradict what someone else believes kill said person? What the Hell is going through your coked out mind right now?

EDIT: I assumed I was talking to a liberal male at the time. According to your profile, you are, however, not male, so I've modified my argument, as you can see by the editing I did.

[TheReporter]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Yes, he did.

There is no way one can reasonably believe that gays are morally "ok" people and yet continue to oppose their marriage, to do so would be to stand against values of equality and liberty. Conversely, there is no way one can find gayness to be morally wrong and not want their extermination. While I'm as relativist as they come, I'd like to think that if I found something wrong, I'd want to get rid of it- and what this pastor is saying is the "logical" continuation of that. Don't really go and try to tell me all of these people opposing gay marriage are a-okay with gays. That would be like saying Southerners, despite Jim Crow, were perfectly fine with black people.

It is a sign of the values of our times that more people cannot come out and say such things- but just because they don't doesn't mean they don't think such things. Today it is, thankfully, a bit more unacceptable to hold certain views, thanks to popular culture, but sadly I think the "silent majority" is alive and well.

With all due respect, your post, especially the parts in bold print, is absurd. Let me show this to you with a political example: According to your logic, a staunch socialist who disapproves of the Republican Party because he considers the values of conservatives (or "neoliberals" as he might label them) "morally wrong" should be inclined to have conservatives "exterminated". Does that make sense?

A good many of those have desired to literally exterminated, but I think it's safe to say they'd like to see their ideas exterminated. I personally wish everyone was a liberal like myself, so while I follow the pattern I don't want all non-liberals dead per se.

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Yes, he did.

There is no way one can reasonably believe that gays are morally "ok" people and yet continue to oppose their marriage, to do so would be to stand against values of equality and liberty. Conversely, there is no way one can find gayness to be morally wrong and not want their extermination. While I'm as relativist as they come, I'd like to think that if I found something wrong, I'd want to get rid of it- and what this pastor is saying is the "logical" continuation of that. Don't really go and try to tell me all of these people opposing gay marriage are a-okay with gays. That would be like saying Southerners, despite Jim Crow, were perfectly fine with black people.

It is a sign of the values of our times that more people cannot come out and say such things- but just because they don't doesn't mean they don't think such things. Today it is, thankfully, a bit more unacceptable to hold certain views, thanks to popular culture, but sadly I think the "silent majority" is alive and well.

BoyPerson, you are just completely f#ckin' hilarious. I suppose since I oppose gay marriage I want to f#ckin' exterminate them too. That's completely ridiculous. As well, I don't know if you've heard of something called "tolerance", where you don't like something, but you also don't kill them for it. As well, you do know it's possible to be in the same room as homosexuals, and still be an opponent of gay marriage? I've done it and my family has done it. It's not that hard, and don't pretend like everyone who opposes gay marriage wants a f#ckin' holocaust. I suppose that means any Christian who views Judaism or Islam as the "wrong" religion wants to kill all members of said religion and vice-versa. Continuing, shouldn't anyone who believes anything that might contradict what someone else believes kill said person? What the Hell is going through your coked out mind right now?

EDIT: I assumed I was talking to a liberal male at the time. According to your profile, you are, however, not male, so I've modified my argument, as you can see by the editing I did.

Well, you and ZuWo are being unreasonable. Either you don't actually find gay people to morally incorrect, you simply want to get rid of gays through some less violent manner, for example you simply wish gay people weren't actually gay. Either that, or you regard them existing outside some moral spectrum.

[ZuWo]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Yes, he did.

There is no way one can reasonably believe that gays are morally "ok" people and yet continue to oppose their marriage, to do so would be to stand against values of equality and liberty. Conversely, there is no way one can find gayness to be morally wrong and not want their extermination. While I'm as relativist as they come, I'd like to think that if I found something wrong, I'd want to get rid of it- and what this pastor is saying is the "logical" continuation of that. Don't really go and try to tell me all of these people opposing gay marriage are a-okay with gays. That would be like saying Southerners, despite Jim Crow, were perfectly fine with black people.

It is a sign of the values of our times that more people cannot come out and say such things- but just because they don't doesn't mean they don't think such things. Today it is, thankfully, a bit more unacceptable to hold certain views, thanks to popular culture, but sadly I think the "silent majority" is alive and well.

With all due respect, your post, especially the parts in bold print, is absurd. Let me show this to you with a political example: According to your logic, a staunch socialist who disapproves of the Republican Party because he considers the values of conservatives (or "neoliberals" as he might label them) "morally wrong" should be inclined to have conservatives "exterminated". Does that make sense?

A good many of those have desired to literally exterminated, but I think it's safe to say they'd like to see their ideas exterminated. I personally wish everyone was a liberal like myself, so while I follow the pattern I don't want all non-liberals dead per se.

Ok, you don't want "all non-liberals dead per se". Nice to hear! So what would suffice? 100 dead non-liberals? 10000? a million?

...

I'm sorry, I have to disappoint you but my brain really doesn't work that way. Just because I disagree with someone does not mean that I have any intention to exterminate them.

[Torie]

This thread has taken a really odd turn hasn't it? 

[TheReporter]

The pastor only said out loud what is in the hearts of many in the Christian Right.

No.

Yes, he did.

There is no way one can reasonably believe that gays are morally "ok" people and yet continue to oppose their marriage, to do so would be to stand against values of equality and liberty. Conversely, there is no way one can find gayness to be morally wrong and not want their extermination. While I'm as relativist as they come, I'd like to think that if I found something wrong, I'd want to get rid of it- and what this pastor is saying is the "logical" continuation of that. Don't really go and try to tell me all of these people opposing gay marriage are a-okay with gays. That would be like saying Southerners, despite Jim Crow, were perfectly fine with black people.

It is a sign of the values of our times that more people cannot come out and say such things- but just because they don't doesn't mean they don't think such things. Today it is, thankfully, a bit more unacceptable to hold certain views, thanks to popular culture, but sadly I think the "silent majority" is alive and well.

With all due respect, your post, especially the parts in bold print, is absurd. Let me show this to you with a political example: According to your logic, a staunch socialist who disapproves of the Republican Party because he considers the values of conservatives (or "neoliberals" as he might label them) "morally wrong" should be inclined to have conservatives "exterminated". Does that make sense?

A good many of those have desired to literally exterminated, but I think it's safe to say they'd like to see their ideas exterminated. I personally wish everyone was a liberal like myself, so while I follow the pattern I don't want all non-liberals dead per se.

Ok, you don't want "all non-liberals dead per se". Nice to hear! So what would suffice? 100 dead non-liberals? 10000? a million?

...

I'm sorry, I have to disappoint you but my brain really doesn't work that way. Just because I disagree with someone does not mean that I have any intention to exterminate them.

I personally wish everyone was a liberal like myself

Read what I said. I said I'd like them to become liberals. I assume you also wish gays were straight.

[Svensson]

I really do love the black and white floating around this thread. Apparently, guys: either you want the world to be full of acceptance and happiness and flowers, or you want to commit genocide.

God, I love the left sometimes.