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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2012, 04:36:12 pm »
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Of course abortion should be rare. Even if you're 'pro-choice' you can hardly consider it a morally neutral act. It's death (and death for no reason is...)

...Except there are people out there who don't view it as killing.

And they're wrong.
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2012, 04:38:22 pm »
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Of course abortion should be rare. Even if you're 'pro-choice' you can hardly consider it a morally neutral act. It's death (and death for no reason is...)

...Except there are people out there who don't view it as killing.

And they're wrong.

It's about as killing as killing a spider or something.
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2012, 04:39:05 pm »
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Of course abortion should be rare. Even if you're 'pro-choice' you can hardly consider it a morally neutral act. It's death (and death for no reason is...)

...Except there are people out there who don't view it as killing.

Of course it's killing; nobody has ever seriously disputed whether it's killing (just like killing a gnat is still killing, killing a bacteria is still killing, etc.). The dispute is over whether it's murder (I happen to believe it is not, up to a point).
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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2012, 04:55:00 pm »
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Of course abortion should be rare. Even if you're 'pro-choice' you can hardly consider it a morally neutral act. It's death (and death for no reason is...)

...Except there are people out there who don't view it as killing.

And they're wrong.

It's about as killing as killing a spider or something.

Nah, spiders are more alive than this thing:

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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2012, 04:56:21 pm »
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Of course abortion should be rare. Even if you're 'pro-choice' you can hardly consider it a morally neutral act. It's death (and death for no reason is...)

...Except there are people out there who don't view it as killing.

And they're wrong.

It's about as killing as killing a spider or something.

Nah, spiders are more alive than this thing:



You do realize that was you (and all of us) at one point, don't you? 
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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2012, 04:57:41 pm »
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Of course abortion should be rare. Even if you're 'pro-choice' you can hardly consider it a morally neutral act. It's death (and death for no reason is...)

...Except there are people out there who don't view it as killing.

And they're wrong.

It's about as killing as killing a spider or something.

Nah, spiders are more alive than this thing:



You do realize that was you (and all of us) at one point, don't you? 

Sure. I was also a bunch of atoms in space at some point. Doesn't mean I have any fondness for random asteroids or stars.
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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2012, 05:10:02 pm »
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Of course abortion should be rare. Even if you're 'pro-choice' you can hardly consider it a morally neutral act. It's death (and death for no reason is...)

...Except there are people out there who don't view it as killing.

And they're wrong.

It's about as killing as killing a spider or something.

Nah, spiders are more alive than this thing:



You do realize that was you (and all of us) at one point, don't you? 

Sure. I was also a bunch of atoms in space at some point. Doesn't mean I have any fondness for random asteroids or stars.

So the thought of your parents considering the option of having you aborted doesn't bother you in the least? 
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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2012, 05:14:07 pm »
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I like this TheReporter guy gal. We need more posters like him her.

Fixed.

See, that's why English needs gendered nouns. Then she could call her herself "TheReportress" and all would be well.

TheReportress sounds like some odd BSDM character. But I'm kind of into that....

Anyway, thank you, but of course as Lief said, we were all that at one point. Try talking to it, try touching it... note you can't do that.
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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2012, 05:17:07 pm »
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Of course abortion should be rare. Even if you're 'pro-choice' you can hardly consider it a morally neutral act. It's death (and death for no reason is...)

...Except there are people out there who don't view it as killing.

And they're wrong.

It's about as killing as killing a spider or something.

Nah, spiders are more alive than this thing:



You do realize that was you (and all of us) at one point, don't you? 

Sure. I was also a bunch of atoms in space at some point. Doesn't mean I have any fondness for random asteroids or stars.

So the thought of your parents considering the option of having you aborted doesn't bother you in the least? 

Wouldn't have been able to feel it, so why would I care?
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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2012, 05:24:54 pm »
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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2012, 05:33:14 pm »
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Of course abortion should be rare. Even if you're 'pro-choice' you can hardly consider it a morally neutral act. It's death (and death for no reason is...)

...Except there are people out there who don't view it as killing.

And they're wrong.

It's about as killing as killing a spider or something.

Nah, spiders are more alive than this thing:



You do realize that was you (and all of us) at one point, don't you?  

Sure. I was also a bunch of atoms in space at some point. Doesn't mean I have any fondness for random asteroids or stars.
we are nothing but a bunch of atoms in space, as far as i know.
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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2012, 05:45:19 pm »
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You want abortions to be more common? 

...no? I don't see how that could have been inferred from what I said.
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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2012, 06:27:08 pm »
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I wasn't aborted, so I don't really care.  And I can't say I'd give a fock if I was aborted.  I'm pretty sure I wasn't meant to exist anyways.
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« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2012, 06:30:11 pm »
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Maybe I'd feel empathy for fetuses if I believed that they're people.  The "herp what if you were aborted derp" argument loses it's meaning when you're an amoral douchebag like me.
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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2012, 06:40:00 pm »
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If I were aborted, I wouldn't have an opinion on being aborted because I would have never existed. Simple as that. A lot of things could have happened that would have prevented me from being born; as a person who currently exists and enjoys existing, I'm happy that the millions of things necessary for me to exist occurred, but I'm not going to be upset for the literally billions of other potential people who could have existed if other decisions had been made.

I find the thought of teenaged or young adult women who, because of a mistake or an episode of poor judgment, are forced to cut short their dreams and goals to raise a child that will always be on at least some level unwanted much more upsetting than the thought of my parents hypothetically aborting me.
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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2012, 06:50:32 pm »
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I find the thought of teenaged or young adult women who, because of a mistake or an episode of poor judgment, are forced to cut short their dreams and goals to raise a child that will always be on at least some level unwanted much more upsetting than the thought of my parents hypothetically aborting me.

As a person who was likely an accident, I can say that it sucks.  Particularly when it's two random people who hate eachother who are forced by their silly morals to stay with eachother.

I see fewer unwanted kids as a good thing.  But even then we'll have the problem of insanely idiotic 14 year old girls who want to keep their fetus.
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« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2012, 07:12:54 pm »
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And if you're pro-choice and saying it, do you view abortion like video game playing, "It's not wrong, but we shouldn't have too much of it?"

I should think it would be obvious that for a conservative pro-choicer, then saying that you want abortion to be rare means that you want the situations that would lead a woman to the decision of having an abortion to be rare.  Ideally, no woman should have an abortion because she feels she can't afford to bring the child to term. (Whether it be to keep the baby or give em up for adoption.)  Also, ideally people would abstain from intercourse unless they are prepared to deal with the possible pregnancy.  While some in the pro-life movement overstate the effect, terminating a (potential) human life is not an easy act to contemplate for most people, nor should it be.
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« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2012, 03:38:52 am »
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Abortions will be rarer if more people use contraception. Which not only removes the moral gray areas (unless you are the pope) but is far less uncomfortable for the women involved.
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« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2012, 04:30:57 am »
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I don't give a damn about fetuses either. And yeah, that "what if you were aborted" argument is utter bullsh*t. Our existence is the consequence of an infinite succession of random events which could easily have never happened, and our mother not aborting is only one of those events.

If I want abortions to be rare, it's only because I acknowledge that they almost always represent an emotional trauma for the woman. In an ideal world, appropriate contraception would prevent unwanted pregnancies from the beginning and allow women not to face the dilemma of whether or not to abort.
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« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2012, 08:26:03 am »
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Safe? Yeah, although admittedly can cause emotional harm to women having one.

Legal? Not universally yet, but it should be considered a right for all women.

Rare? I'm not sure about this one.

You want abortions to be more common? 

If it means that one day 16 and Pregnant can be cancelled due to lack of material.

I think the implication is that there are fewer unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
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« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2012, 12:58:59 pm »
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I wasn't aborted, so I don't really care.  And I can't say I'd give a fock if I was aborted.  I'm pretty sure I wasn't meant to exist anyways.
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« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2012, 03:08:14 pm »
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Can't think of a convincing criterium for personhood that would deny personhood to an unborn fetus and at the same time extend it to a heavily dementing old man.
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« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2012, 08:07:36 pm »
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The death penalty should be safe, legal, and rare. It's used far too often.
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« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2012, 11:21:16 am »
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Safe: it depends on the situation, because back-alley abortions are not at all safe, but maybe they are if performed in a clinic or hospital.
Legal: I oppose abortion except to save the life of the mother.  There are other options available (birth control and adoption, for example) that, while by no means foolproof, are still much better alternatives and I feel should be legal.  As for rape and incest, I feel that it is an exploitation of women to allow abortion in cases of rape because it suggests that men can sexually abuse women without consequence.  Incest can be voluntary or involuntary, so the same guidelines, in my opinion, would apply to it as well.
Rare: If we change the law to reflect this, abortion will be rare.
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« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2012, 12:48:28 pm »
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What is your opinion on this commonly used statement in favor of abortions?

Should be added to "talking points that piss you off".

These three are fine to me. Add "free", though.

WTF?!

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