Sen. Chuck Hagel and Gov. Mitt Romney will win in 2008?

[Moooooo]

Havard Students predict outcome of 2008 Presidential race.


"New Hampshire shall play kingmaker again in 2008, at least according to a group of Harvard students charged with predicting the outcome of the next election. Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Nebraska Republican, will soar to victory because he's the "quintessential New Hampshire candidate," the class wrote.

All you civic junkies out there know perfectly well who this guy is. But the students said he'd overcome a lack of name recognition among average voters and beat out Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana in November '08.

The class based its assumptions on the past presidential election, saying Hagel will win the primaries in part because he's frugal and isn't afraid to break ranks with the party establishment - two things Granite Staters value. The class predicts Hagel will even earn the endorsement of another maverick, McCain, who won the New Hampshire primary in 2000.

The class says Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney will share the ticket with Hagel and Virginia Gov. Mark Warner will run with Bayh."


scroll down to "tea leaves":  http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050116/REPOSITORY/501160354/1001/NEWS01

[they don't love you like i love you]

Hopefully the Republicans are foolish enough to nominate someone who said we should consider reinstating the draft.

[WalterMitty]

those are two horrible people.

[phk]

Did they come up with a map of any sort?

[Moooooo]

Did they come up with a map of any sort?

Not that I saw.  Ill look into it.

[M]

I would vote for Bayh-Warner without the slightest compunction. But won't happen; Hagel may well get McCain's support and win NH but has zero chance at the nomination; and if he did, Romney would be a ridiculous runningmate.

[BobOMac2k2]

I haven't heard of this Bayh.. but I have heard rumors of Hagel.

[Democratic Hawk]

I haven't heard of this Bayh.. but I have heard rumors of Hagel.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of Bayh coming from Illinois

Bayh's a Democrat, who was Indiana's former Secretary of State , former two-term governor and he's just been re-elected to a second term in the Senate polling more votes in Indiana than GWB

Dave

[The Duke]

Shows how far Harvard has fallen since that buffoon Gergen came along.  They obviously know nothing about the GOP, and are obviously not Republicans, if they think Hagel can win the nomination.

[Rob]

Hagel is too independent to be supported by the GOP leadership. Just like McCain in '00, he'd be attacked as a "liberal", and that alone would sink him. I like Hagel- he's very principled and he doesn't always follow the party line- but it's for those reasons that he won't get nominated.

[BobOMac2k2]

I can tell you right now a no name will not get the nomination.

[Alcon]

I can tell you right now a no name will not get the nomination.

No-names have a pretty decent track record in the past century.

[TheWildCard]

Despite the fact that Romney is one of my favorite candidates right now I'd vote against Hagel in almost any match up.

[ian]

Frist is going to win the Repub. nomination (and if he does, Dems are so screwed).  Just a prediction.

[Ben.]

         

Frist is going to win the Repub. nomination (and if he does, Dems are so screwed).  Just a prediction.

Don't understand, Bayh would hammer Frist (that said it could be a pretty darn dull race)...

...indeed Warner, Richardson, Rendell, Kerry, Landrieu even Feingold would all be competitive facing Frist.

If it was not for the dynasty tag "Jeb" Bush would be the GOP strongest candidate instead Bill Owens, George Allen and Mark Sanford would have to be the front runners as things stand though Hagel would potentially do as well as McCain though it would be unlikely that he would be able to win the GOP nomination as he remains outside of the Republican establishment.

Indeed the more I think about it (and someone mentioned this earlier) Sanford may be the strongest Republican candidate.   

[The Duke]

Frist would win the general against almost anyone, but he would be an uninspiring President.  Bayh boosters forget that he probably can't win a primary, and his appeal in Indiana is partly (but not entirely) predicated on his lineage.

[Ben.]

Frist would win the general against almost anyone, but he would be an uninspiring President.  Bayh boosters forget that he probably can't win a primary, and his appeal in Indiana is partly (but not entirely) predicated on his lineage.

The "Kitty-Killer" alone would make him seem at the least odd to most voters... what is more he would be very dull indeed campaigning, though he's getting sparkier, either way i don't think he has the across the board support which Bayh would enjoy.

As for Bayh you forget that his father lost to Dan Quayle! While his name may have helped earlier on in his carrier these days he a well respected moderate local politician in his own right, nothing to do with his lineage.

As i say along with perhaps Jeb and McCain (though he won't run or win the nomination) Sanford is the candidate who worries me... Frist is probably one of the most vulnerable candidates the GOP could put up.         

[they don't love you like i love you]

What makes Frist such a strong candidate?

The fact that he is Majority Leader makes him very weak. Being a Senator alone is a strike, being Majority Leader means it's very difficult to pretend to be bipartisan or moderate.

He's also very boring.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Since every Republican is 100% certain Hillary will be the nominee for us (even though I don't think so), I ran this on President Forever as Hillary/Warner against Hagel/Romney.

The result:



PV much closer. Hillary won 50-49, with a margin of a little less than 2 million votes.

[FerrisBueller86]

Since every Republican is 100% certain Hillary will be the nominee for us (even though I don't think so), I ran this on President Forever as Hillary/Warner against Hagel/Romney.

Why would Hillary Clinton win in Missouri, Colorado, and Arizona but not New Mexico? 

New Mexico was a battleground state in 2000 and 2004.  Gore won in 2000.

The other three were written off by Gore and Kerry weeks before the election.

[FerrisBueller86]

If Mitt Romney is the Republican running mate (which sounds like a farfetched scenario), the Democrats should remind Republican voters that he is the governor of Massachusetts, the state they all love to hate.

[Colin]

If Mitt Romney is the Republican running mate (which sounds like a farfetched scenario), the Democrats should remind Republican voters that he is the governor of Massachusetts, the state they all love to hate.

And what would that do? Unless the Constitution Party nominates a strong candidate and starts to get Conservative support its not like that would do much good. That would be like telling Democrats that Bill Clinton is from the south, an area that they all love to hate. Would it change their minds, no, would it do anything that would actually help the campaign, no. jhsu you are probably one of the least informed posters on this forum.

[agcatter]

Hagal might even be more of a camera hog than McCain.  That's saying a mouth full.  I hate that smug SOB.  He has as much chance of going anywhere at the GOP convention than I do.

If HagaL ran against Hillary I swear I wouldn't vote.  Most Republicans can't stand the guy.

[Smash255]

Hagal might even be more of a camera hog than McCain.  That's saying a mouth full.  I hate that smug SOB.  He has as much chance of going anywhere at the GOP convention than I do.

If HagaL ran against Hillary I swear I wouldn't vote.  Most Republicans can't stand the guy.

is it because you think he is a hog that you hate the guy or do you hate the guy because you strongly believe in the don't you dare speak out against Dubya philosophy??

[Rob]

Hagel is a great Senator. He's also my favorite Republican. I like that he's not a mouthpiece for the GOP leadership, which seems to be the reason many Republicans don't like him.