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« Reply #100 on: August 04, 2012, 10:53:07 pm »
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I think Bersani is the safe bet. Though, aside from Prodi, we have seen what safe bets have gotten the Italian Left...
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« Reply #101 on: August 04, 2012, 11:13:53 pm »
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I think Bersani is the safe bet. Though, aside from Prodi, we have seen what safe bets have gotten the Italian Left...
Damn.  I really would love to see my fellow gay tree-hugging socialist kick Berlusconi's ass.  Plus, Berlusconi is such a better campaigner than Bersani that I'd actually think he'd be likelier to win (not that I'd claim to know, but given that Berlusconi tends to keep coming back again and again, and Bersani has, in Antonio's words, the charisma of a stale pizza, it would seem that way). 
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« Reply #102 on: August 10, 2012, 08:11:47 am »
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I've not been following italian news since a while, sorry. Wink

Anyways, I planned to start my polling tracker, but I can't find the recent polls anymore. Shame... Sad

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« Reply #103 on: August 10, 2012, 08:22:35 am »
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I've not been following italian news since a while, sorry. Wink

Anyways, I planned to start my polling tracker, but I can't find the recent polls anymore. Shame... Sad

Antonio, I hate to say, but You're taking too much time to do It and I'll have to update mine... Wink

No problem, of course ! Wink But where do you find poll results ?
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« Reply #104 on: August 10, 2012, 08:35:06 am »
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« Reply #105 on: August 10, 2012, 10:06:30 am »
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Ah, I see. I always fear wikipedia on this kind of things not being exhaustive.
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« Reply #106 on: August 10, 2012, 10:32:46 am »
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And of using bad pollsters, too. But once the amount is large and I'm using a 6 variables polynomial regression, unless there's a huge amount of crappy pollsters It is usefull to observe trends and evaluate the big picture.
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« Reply #107 on: August 10, 2012, 11:18:33 am »
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Well, that PdL surge was certainly short lived and the jokers are rebounding. My God...
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« Reply #108 on: September 05, 2012, 11:29:01 am »
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August 29th IPR poll:

PD - 26%
PdL - 20%
M5S - 15%
UdC - 7%
IdV - 6%
SEL - 6%
LN - 5%
FLI - 2.5%
FdS - 1.5%
LD - 1%
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« Reply #109 on: September 11, 2012, 05:37:37 am »
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I saw Matteo Renzi, the Mayor of Florence, on the cover of a magazine with a sub headline mentioning Bersani. Does anyone know if he is running in the PD leadership primary?
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« Reply #110 on: September 11, 2012, 01:27:36 pm »
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Sadly, I'm completely unaware of Italian political developments since july, roughly. I need to find some good internet based media source.
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« Reply #111 on: September 12, 2012, 05:37:00 am »
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Looks like he's running.
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« Reply #112 on: September 12, 2012, 06:02:30 am »
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I have seen some stuff that looks like he's running.  Since I liked Vendola's Facebook page, I keep seeing news articles (all in Italian, unfortunately) and to pages on Vendola's web site (or SEL's, not sure which).  And there has been some stuff about Renzi, and it certainly looks like there's a catfight going on between those two (or was). 
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« Reply #113 on: September 14, 2012, 01:01:10 pm »
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Berlusconi set to reclaim the PdL leadership tomorrow.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/silvio-berlusconi/9543588/Silvio-Berlusconi-poised-to-announce-political-comeback.html
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« Reply #114 on: September 14, 2012, 01:16:35 pm »
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It will never end... -______-'
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« Reply #115 on: September 14, 2012, 02:16:53 pm »
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Goddamit.  Message to the center-left primary voters:
Get your ing acts together and nominate Vendola or condemn Italy to god-knows-how-many more years of rule by this paedophile clown!  Your choice!
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« Reply #116 on: September 14, 2012, 03:26:08 pm »
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Dear Jesus God no.
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« Reply #117 on: September 14, 2012, 03:52:36 pm »
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I have to say highly doubt this will actually affect Italian politics apart from further sinking the PdL in electoral abysses.

That said... I shudder at the possibility of being wrong. The extent of human stupidity is limitless.
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« Reply #118 on: September 15, 2012, 07:08:41 am »
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I have some...eh...well connected friends in the party. I visited them yesterday and they were saying how Berlusconi had a big speech today (which they unfortunately had to miss). They didn't tell me it was his official reclaiming of the leadership speech though.

Speaking of PdL and my visit...







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« Reply #119 on: September 15, 2012, 07:16:48 am »
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Goddamit.  Message to the center-left primary voters:
Get your ing acts together and nominate Vendola

Uh...he has to be the least electable, dude.
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« Reply #120 on: September 15, 2012, 09:53:26 am »
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He skipped the youth rally and is struggling with indecision. Many supporters are pissed that he didn't attend - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-italy-berlusconibre88d1bj-20120914,0,7153822.story
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« Reply #121 on: September 21, 2012, 08:34:54 am »
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PdL is embroiled in a party expenses scandal in Lazio. The PdL Governor might actually resign over it even though party leaders, including Berlusconi, are urging her not to in hopes of avoiding an early election.
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« Reply #122 on: September 21, 2012, 05:05:08 pm »
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Goddamit.  Message to the center-left primary voters:
Get your ing acts together and nominate Vendola

Uh...he has to be the least electable, dude.
In terms of ideology, yes.  In terms of skill, campaigning abilities, and being able to get the votes of people who otherwise would not vote to vote, he's probably the most electable. 
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« Reply #123 on: September 21, 2012, 05:07:57 pm »
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If Berlusconi doesn't run it doesn't matter. For some reason the Italian right has never developed a rock-solid ideological base of say, 25-30% of voters like the PD.
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« Reply #124 on: September 22, 2012, 09:50:27 am »
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Goddamit.  Message to the center-left primary voters:
Get your ing acts together and nominate Vendola

Uh...he has to be the least electable, dude.
In terms of ideology, yes.  In terms of skill, campaigning abilities, and being able to get the votes of people who otherwise would not vote to vote, he's probably the most electable. 

Ok, that's fair. It certainly does take some skill to win as a gay Communist in Puglia. That said, it helped that the center-right was split. We'll see if that is the case nationally.
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