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« Reply #125 on: September 22, 2012, 04:49:16 PM »

If Berlusconi doesn't run it doesn't matter. For some reason the Italian right has never developed a rock-solid ideological base of say, 25-30% of voters like the PD.

I don't mean to cause any offence, but I can't get my head around this post. Is it from some parallel universe or other?

Would this perhaps be true of 'any given party of the post-DC Italian right'?
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« Reply #126 on: September 24, 2012, 03:21:57 AM »

If Berlusconi doesn't run it doesn't matter. For some reason the Italian right has never developed a rock-solid ideological base of say, 25-30% of voters like the PD.

I don't mean to cause any offence, but I can't get my head around this post. Is it from some parallel universe or other?

Indeed, there is not a single strong party that will always have solid basis of voters like PD, but there is a very big part of electorate (that now in polls are often among "uncertain") that are willing to vote "anything but left".
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« Reply #127 on: September 27, 2012, 03:02:38 AM »

 "Lazio's Governor - Renata Polverini of the PdL - has resigned."
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« Reply #128 on: September 28, 2012, 12:59:00 AM »

So that means new elections? Great, hopefully this will be another hammering for PdL.
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« Reply #129 on: October 03, 2012, 08:39:47 AM »

Thanks for passing that along, px.  Wink

Yes, there will be new elections but they’ll coincide with next Spring’s General election. As long as Bonino isn’t the center-left candidate, I can breath easily.  Tongue

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« Reply #130 on: October 04, 2012, 09:19:26 AM »

No, the elections will be before Xmas, because the law requires to hold elections in 90 days after resignations.
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« Reply #131 on: October 04, 2012, 09:32:35 AM »

Ah, I was told (by an Italian) that it would be next Spring. So this should be even worse for PdL, right? Who are the rumored candidates on each side? Alemanno?
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« Reply #132 on: October 05, 2012, 02:39:05 AM »

No, not Alemanno, someone "fresher" probably, like Giorgia Meloni, or supporting someone from another party like PDL did in Sicily
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« Reply #133 on: October 05, 2012, 03:15:32 AM »
« Edited: October 05, 2012, 03:17:11 AM by italianboy8 »

PdL has no chance regardless of their candidate (and it appears it might be Storace,LOL).
PD's candidate (and IdV and SeL have already said they'll support him) is Zingaretti,the hugely popular President of the Rome province.

He was supposed to be our candidate in the mayoral elections,but since the Regional ones will be before then,they convinced him to "switch candidature".
I am a bit worried about who'll be our candidate for the mayoral ones now,but anyway Alemanno has destroyed any chance of a center-right win.

As for when the Reginal elections will be,they are SUPPOSED to be before Christmas,but there might be an unique "election day" given that in Spring we'll have the national,mayoral and provincial elections.
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« Reply #134 on: October 05, 2012, 01:31:41 PM »

I read that Alemanno said today that there shouldn't even be a PdL list in Rome in the next elections and believes the party should be "refounded."

How would this work? And what's the point of refounding the party if the list shouldn't even be run (or does he mean that a list shouldn't be run unless the party is refounded)? Does this mean a candidate for the Right will likely be from outside of the PdL now?
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« Reply #135 on: October 05, 2012, 01:38:22 PM »

Back to strictly national news...

A new Ipsos poll apparently shows center-right voters preferring that Alfano run for Prime Minister instead of Berlusconi!

Also, the PD primary looks very interesting: Bersani - 38%   Renzi - 36%

National ballot: PD - 28%  PdL - 19%  M5S - 18%   
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« Reply #136 on: October 06, 2012, 02:07:07 PM »
« Edited: October 06, 2012, 02:10:11 PM by Keystone Phil »

On an unrelated noted, 70-80% of Venetians favor independence? Ugh.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9589732/Mass-rally-in-Venice-to-call-for-independence-from-Italy.html
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« Reply #137 on: October 06, 2012, 06:31:30 PM »

Yeah, this country is depressing...
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« Reply #138 on: October 07, 2012, 07:10:37 AM »


Lol,never heard of that "Indipendenza Veneta" movement.

In the meanwile,extremely close primary for the centerleft.
Last polls gave Bersani and Renzi around 38%,with Vendola in the 20%s and the others in the low single-digits.
Personally I am still undecided between Bersani and Renzi,even though slightly leaning for Renzi.
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« Reply #139 on: October 07, 2012, 07:35:13 AM »

When is the exact date (or is the primary held over two days, too?) for the primary?
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« Reply #140 on: October 07, 2012, 02:09:07 PM »


Lol,never heard of that "Indipendenza Veneta" movement.

In the meanwile,extremely close primary for the centerleft.
Last polls gave Bersani and Renzi around 38%,with Vendola in the 20%s and the others in the low single-digits.
Personally I am still undecided between Bersani and Renzi,even though slightly leaning for Renzi.

I hope the system they use is two-rounds.
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« Reply #141 on: October 08, 2012, 08:20:12 AM »

Could someone explain the views of Bersani and Renzi in a few words ? Lazy to wiki them, plus I trust more the people here than wikipedia for these kinds of things...
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« Reply #142 on: October 08, 2012, 11:12:47 AM »

Could someone explain the views of Bersani and Renzi in a few words ? Lazy to wiki them, plus I trust more the people here than wikipedia for these kinds of things...

Bersani - old-style socialdemocrat,simple as that.
 He's not bad as a secretary and as a person,but many of the PD's old guard who support him are simply orrible (like D'Alema and Bindi). He's started to renew the party, but not too convincigly.
I would have no problem voting for him in the general election if he wins the primary anyway.

Renzi - more centrist, even though not even close to the UdC's positions.
He's the mayor of Florence, and his main theme is the renewal of the party.
Economically he is more centrist than Bersani, even though not as much as many depict him.
He's way more charismatic,and attracts many former center-right electors.


Overall the clash between these two is more over "style" than "substance" IMO.
I think I'll be voting for Renzi just to try and have some horrible,horrible people leave the Parliament and the PD's center stage.
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« Reply #143 on: October 08, 2012, 11:15:33 AM »

Anyway the primaries will be on two turns, with one voting day each time (a Sunday,even though I don't recall the exact day).
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« Reply #144 on: October 08, 2012, 12:06:27 PM »

Glad Renzi doesn't sound awful.
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« Reply #145 on: October 08, 2012, 12:30:58 PM »

Bersani is a former Communist, Renzi comes from a DC background.
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« Reply #146 on: October 08, 2012, 02:56:19 PM »

I don't think they have meaningful policy differences at this point. All of the PD is made of Third Way centrists at this point.
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« Reply #147 on: October 08, 2012, 04:17:14 PM »

I don't think they have meaningful policy differences at this point. All of the PD is made of Third Way centrists at this point.

I guess it comes down to style and if PdL voters still think they have a shot, I guess they better hope for Bersani to survive.
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« Reply #148 on: October 11, 2012, 10:59:59 AM »

Things seem to go from bad to worse for PdL - the Governor of Lombardy is now faced with the possibility of Lega Nord pulling out of the Regional Council. Formigoni would then have to rule and run with just PdL which would affect elections in Veneto and Piedmont as they are supposedly part of a joint political agreement.

Lega Nord is threatening to quit because of a personal scandal surrounding Formigoni, in hopes that he'd step aside. It's never good when someone is forced to say they won't resign. Formigoni had to do just that today.
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« Reply #149 on: October 11, 2012, 12:05:02 PM »

Oh, and Formigoni is also taking heat for a councillor in his government allegedly buying votes from 'Ndrangheta. Can't forget that little tidbit.
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