Italy 2013: The official thread

[Andrea]

Crocetta isn't likely to get an overall majority in the regional chamber though.

Last I heard, he was going to get 40 deputies out of 80.
It shouldn't be too hard to govern overall.

I think the overall number of Cllrs (regional deputies as they call them there) is 90. 80 elected with PR lists + 10 as a sort of bonus

At the moment

5 Stars 14 seats
PD 14
PdL 13
UDC 11
MPA 10
Grande Sud 5
Crocetta for President 5
Musumeci for President 4
Cantiere Popolare 4

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Crocetta
Musumeci
the whole blocked list linked to Crocetta (8 people)

[SPQR]

39 out of 90 then. 7 needed for a majority... but I guess the M5S deputies won't be as radical as Grillo is.

[Peter the Lefty]

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFBRE89U0M120121031
Vendola acquitted. 

[Antonio the Sixth]

I assume he's politically dead. Scandals like that are OK in Italy if you are in the mainstream parties, but not if you're someone with the sort of appeal Vendola had.

[Keystone Phil]

Just read that there was a leadership debate between Bersani, Renzi and Vendola yesterday. It's being described as a "game show style" format. 

The Chicago Tribune found it worthy to note that Renzi wore a purple tie because it was "favored by former British Prime Minister Tony Blair." Uh...isn't purple the official Anti Berlusconi color? That probably has more to do with it (or Renzi just wanted to wear purple).

33% said Bersani won while 31% said Renzi won the debate.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Just read that there was a leadership debate between Bersani, Renzi and Vendola yesterday. It's being described as a "game show style" format. 

....

[Keystone Phil]

They're not used to formal debates. They usually just argue on talk shows so the set up at podiums with time buzzers made it seem like a game show.

By the way, the PD official website added to the comedy by posting a photoshopped image of each candidate's head on each Fantastic 5 character.

[Insula Dei]

This was a RAI-debate, right? Were there semi-nude women involved?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Oh Italy...

[SPQR]

This was a RAI-debate, right? Were there semi-nude women involved?

Nope,it was on Sky.
2 million viewers,apparently.

As for Renzi's tie,he was forced to wear one. He didn't want to in the first place.

[Keystone Phil]

Yeah, I read that he takes the casual dress thing to a whole new level. Not wanting to wear a tie during the debate? Come on. Now it just seems like an act. Though Sky forcing him to wear one seems just as silly.

[Zanas]

I fail to see how one wan force another to wear a tie... And I fail to see what it brings to one's political message... Wearing a tie is to me just a sign of gregarism...

[Keystone Phil]

Some help, please, from the Italians: is this March 10th date the day for the Parliamentary elections or just the regional Special elections?

[Keystone Phil]

Former Youth Policy Minister Giorgia Meloni has thrown her hat in the ring. It's looking like a real circus for the Right. Alessandra Mussolini is even in the running.

[Andrea]

Some help, please, from the Italians: is this March 10th date the day for the Parliamentary elections or just the regional Special elections?

just the regional special elections...for the moment
PdL would like to have the parliamentary elections on the same day. Nothing has been decided yet though. However, pushing regional elections from January to March makes a big election day more likely than before.

[Leftbehind]

Yeah, I read that he takes the casual dress thing to a whole new level. Not wanting to wear a tie during the debate? Come on. Now it just seems like an act. Though Sky forcing him to wear one seems just as silly.

Right, because it's monumentally unreasonable to choose not to wear a tie and resist against being forced to do so(!)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Some help, please, from the Italians: is this March 10th date the day for the Parliamentary elections or just the regional Special elections?

just the regional special elections...for the moment
PdL would like to have the parliamentary elections on the same day. Nothing has been decided yet though. However, pushing regional elections from January to March makes a big election day more likely than before.

Why is the PdL so eager to be annihilated?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Some help, please, from the Italians: is this March 10th date the day for the Parliamentary elections or just the regional Special elections?

just the regional special elections...for the moment
PdL would like to have the parliamentary elections on the same day. Nothing has been decided yet though. However, pushing regional elections from January to March makes a big election day more likely than before.

Why is the PdL so eager to be annihilated?

death wish

[SPQR]

Some help, please, from the Italians: is this March 10th date the day for the Parliamentary elections or just the regional Special elections?

just the regional special elections...for the moment
PdL would like to have the parliamentary elections on the same day. Nothing has been decided yet though. However, pushing regional elections from January to March makes a big election day more likely than before.

Why is the PdL so eager to be annihilated?

It's been clear for a long time that,after Berlusconi stepped down,the center-right would have been nothing but a bunch of undisciplined clowns and wh*res,people with no ideology and no shame,who will fall into irrelevancy within months.

[Keystone Phil]

Well, I wish the "whores with no ideology" would make up their damn minds as to when the primary will be. You'd think a party with everyone and their mother running for leader would at least be able to figure that out. Why the feet dragging? And with all of these candidates, does Alfano benefit?

[Antonio the Sixth]

BTW, if elections are held in March, April or May, that means my parents will have to fill and send my ballots. That's a shame, because my first vote for a non-referendum Italian election is an important step in my civic life.

[Keystone Phil]

BTW, if elections are held in March, April or May, that means my parents will have to fill and send my ballots. That's a shame, because my first vote for a non-referendum Italian election is an important step in my civic life.

You shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway once your family relocated to...that place.



Who are you supporting in the primary? I guess Vendola.

[Antonio the Sixth]

BTW, if elections are held in March, April or May, that means my parents will have to fill and send my ballots. That's a shame, because my first vote for a non-referendum Italian election is an important step in my civic life.

You shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway once your family relocated to...that place.



Who are you supporting in the primary? I guess Vendola.

Yeah, Vendola would be my choice, but at this point it's gonna be between Renzi and Bersani. So, really, anybody but that old stale party boss. I'm not necessarily fond of Renzi's views, but at least he injects some life in a party of useless tools.

[Keystone Phil]

Looks like the PdL primary is set for December 16th.

[Keystone Phil]

Tomorrow is the first round of the center-left primary.

Does anyone know the time the polls close (Italian time) and if we can expect real time coverage (network?) or will the full results be released at one by the party at a later time?