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« Reply #2000 on: October 04, 2013, 10:07:26 AM »

Just breaking. Full Senate vote expected within three weeks.

Good. Berlusconi needs to be grounded anyway. There's no need for special rules for egoistic, eccentric billionaires, craving for attention all the time.
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« Reply #2001 on: October 04, 2013, 10:09:27 AM »

I wonder if the whole Senate has the balls to kick him out though ...
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« Reply #2002 on: October 04, 2013, 01:45:28 PM »

I wonder if the whole Senate has the balls to kick him out though ...
Simple majority is required.

Problem is,vote will be secret. And there are rumours that M5S senators will vote in his favour, so as to blame PD and go to elections with a vast majority. PD senators are working out a way to make their votes blatantly clear to all.
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« Reply #2003 on: October 04, 2013, 01:54:04 PM »

Chances Silvio can buy off enough PD Senators to survive?
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« Reply #2004 on: October 04, 2013, 01:55:26 PM »

Just dropped to close to zero.
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« Reply #2005 on: October 04, 2013, 02:00:33 PM »

Figured I'd still ask since that had been alleged in the past.
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« Reply #2006 on: October 04, 2013, 02:27:19 PM »

Problem is,vote will be secret. And there are rumours that M5S senators will vote in his favour, so as to blame PD and go to elections with a vast majority. PD senators are working out a way to make their votes blatantly clear to all.

Where do these rumours come from?
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« Reply #2007 on: October 04, 2013, 02:45:53 PM »

Problem is,vote will be secret. And there are rumours that M5S senators will vote in his favour, so as to blame PD and go to elections with a vast majority. PD senators are working out a way to make their votes blatantly clear to all.

Where do these rumours come from?

Political journalists from pretty much everywhere.
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« Reply #2008 on: October 04, 2013, 07:44:49 PM »

Political journalists from pretty much everywhere.

Right, found out now. It was a PD politician who told this to the press but I also read M5S speakers asked for the vote not to be secret.

Many are saying that "the White Whale (DC Party) is resurfacing from the deep" with this new Government alliance, the small centrist parties need more forces to survive like they always do.
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« Reply #2009 on: October 05, 2013, 04:10:51 AM »

Political journalists from pretty much everywhere.

Right, found out now. It was a PD politician who told this to the press but I also read M5S speakers asked for the vote not to be secret.

Many are saying that "the White Whale (DC Party) is resurfacing from the deep" with this new Government alliance, the small centrist parties need more forces to survive like they always do.
Asking for the vote not to be secret is nothing other than a purely propagandistic vote.
If a very number small of senators (don't remember how many) asks for the vote to be secret, and the PdL has already announced it wants the vote to be secret, then it has to be. M5S is doing nothing other than propaganda,as usual.
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« Reply #2010 on: October 15, 2013, 08:23:29 AM »

Latest polls (from a couple of days ago) from SWG now that the crisis is over.  Center Right back in the lead

Center-Left             32.9
Center                     6.3
Center-Right           35.4
Grillo                      20.0
Comunist Refound     1.5
Italy of Values          1.0
Others                     2.9
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« Reply #2011 on: October 15, 2013, 08:25:46 AM »

Any updates on a) Berlusconi expulsion b) PD primary?
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« Reply #2012 on: October 17, 2013, 01:41:47 AM »

Any updates on a) Berlusconi expulsion b) PD primary?

a) The vote has been delayed. Some PD members want to support M5S proposal for the vote not to be secret.
b) December 8th.
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« Reply #2013 on: October 17, 2013, 12:29:03 PM »

I don't understand why a vote in any legislative body would ever be secret.
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« Reply #2014 on: October 17, 2013, 01:06:30 PM »

I don't understand why a vote in any legislative body would ever be secret.
I don't know about where you are from, but here in France we have a general principle of electoral law as a whole, which applies to nearly every vote that is in the slight official that is organized in the country, that any vote on a person should be secret, and any vote on other matters can be secret or not depending on what the parts agree on.
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« Reply #2015 on: October 17, 2013, 02:34:47 PM »
« Edited: October 17, 2013, 02:39:15 PM by Andrea »

Monti resigns from Civic Choice. Mauro (and Casini) basically took over the group

His whole attempt into electoral politics has been a flop.
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« Reply #2016 on: October 17, 2013, 02:37:11 PM »

Monti resigns from Civic Choice.

His whole attempt into electoral politics has been a flop.

It's about damn time! Stunned he stuck around after the election.
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« Reply #2017 on: October 17, 2013, 02:39:21 PM »

So where do the few remaining Civic Choice voters go?
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« Reply #2018 on: October 17, 2013, 02:41:23 PM »

So where do the few remaining Civic Choice voters go?

I imagine the few remaining are wealthy northern business types that had problems with Berlusconi. With Silvio effectively out of the picture, I assume they'd return to the center-right coalition.
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« Reply #2019 on: October 19, 2013, 06:35:25 AM »

I've been asked to lock this thread, so there you go. It's been a good run. Smiley
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