Italy 2013: The official thread

[Keystone Phil]

He's an ex-Communist. Right up their alley.

[Andrea]

The page for official results...it doesn't work for me at the moment

http://www.risultati.primarieitaliabenecomune.it/

[Andrea]

Renzi's team says it will be closer: 44 to 40%

First results from PD headquarter

Bersani: 406.043 (44.6)
Renzi 335.648 (36.9%
Vendola 131.041 (14.4%)
Puppato 26.890 (3.)
Tabacci 10783 (1.2%)

[Diouf]

Does anybody have some more information on Verso la Terza Repubblica? There's not much information on wikipedia or elsewhere, apart from them being centrist and that they want Monti to continue after the election. The party founders include Andrea Riccardi, minister of International Cooperation in Monti's government, and the Ferrari chairman  Luca Cordero di Montezemolo. I can also see that they have polled 4.8 and 8.5 in the two polls made since they started.
I guess that Monti does not need to or want to run as he is senator for life.

Would they want to go in an alliance with Casini and Fini at the election?

Their policies, pro-austerity, pro-europe and pro-higher taxes?

An electoral reform has still not been agreed on, so i guess with the current electoral system we will have a centre-left majority (PD, SEL, IdV?) in the Chamber of Deputies and a massive chaos in Senate.

[Keystone Phil]

Renzi's team says it will be closer: 44 to 40%

First results from PD headquarter

Bersani: 406.043 (44.6)
Renzi 335.648 (36.9%
Vendola 131.041 (14.4%)
Puppato 26.890 (3.)
Tabacci 10783 (1.2%)

I was just watching the spokesperson. Their site still isn't working though!

Great news from Renzi's camp!

[Keystone Phil]

Renzi's Facebook status:

Matteo Renzi

I dati sono davvero molto incoraggianti. Parlerò alle 23 alla Fortezza da Basso, ma fin da adesso grazie a tutti. E a chi dice che abbiamo preso i voti della destra - come hanno detto autorevoli scienzati a In Onda, qualche ora fa - date i risultati nei singoli comuni della Toscana, dell'Umbria, di parte dell'Emilia. Le zone rosse ci tirano su. Comunque avete presente i sondaggi di queste ore? Va moooolto meglio. A dopo.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I really hope Renzi isn't just spinning.

[Andrea]

Paris

Vendola 348 votes Bersani 245 Renzi 200 Puppato 53 Tabacci 12

[Andrea]

Going through the results page on PD website...so far

Piemente: neck and neck
Lombardia: Bersani ahead by 8-9%
Trentino: Bersani leading by 11%
Veneto: neck and neck
Friuli: Bersani ahead by 7%
Liguria: Bersani ahead by 13%
Emilia: Bersani ahead by 10 (but less than 50% so far in his homeregion)
Toscana: Renzi at 52% Bersani 36%
Umbria: Renzi by 2%
Marche: neck and neck
Lazio: Bersani 47 Renzi 29 Vendola 20
Abruzzo: Bersani 46 Renzi 32 Vendola 19
Molise: Bersani 42 Renzi 32 Vendola 23
Campania: Bersani 51 Renzi 25 Vendola 18
Puglia: neck and neck between Bersani and Vendola
Basilicata: landslide for Bersani
Calabria: even more than Basilicata
Sicilia: Bersany by 20 points
Sardegna: Bersani over 50%

[Keystone Phil]

Those numbers look incredible for Bersani except, ironically, in his home region. I think I saw that he's winning in the North and Central America overseas vote, too.

[SPQR]

Does anybody have some more information on Verso la Terza Repubblica? There's not much information on wikipedia or elsewhere, apart from them being centrist and that they want Monti to continue after the election. The party founders include Andrea Riccardi, minister of International Cooperation in Monti's government, and the Ferrari chairman  Luca Cordero di Montezemolo. I can also see that they have polled 4.8 and 8.5 in the two polls made since they started.
I guess that Monti does not need to or want to run as he is senator for life.

Would they want to go in an alliance with Casini and Fini at the election?

Their policies, pro-austerity, pro-europe and pro-higher taxes?

An electoral reform has still not been agreed on, so i guess with the current electoral system we will have a centre-left majority (PD, SEL, IdV?) in the Chamber of Deputies and a massive chaos in Senate.

At the moment,an alliance with IdV is not possible. Di Pietro has lost any sense he had.
Also,they are polling below the 4% threshold.

As for the Verso la Terza Repubblica,I guess they'll just ally with UDC and FLI and try and get a few seats in the Parliament.

[Keystone Phil]

Only 43% of the vote in. I guess they're waiting until the morning to release everything. It's still 44% to 36% in favor of Bersani. Vendola is at 15%.

[Vosem]

Read through this thread and some other articles (Hashemite's blog on the Sicily regional election and Wikipedia were both quite informative), and will probably be following this from now on; need some international stuff now that the US is taking a break. First impressions:

I always knew Italian politics was really ed up really bad, but just...wow. Amazing.

[Keystone Phil]

I always knew Italian politics was really ed up really bad, but just...wow. Amazing.

It makes it that much more fun. Nothing like it on the planet.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I always knew Italian politics was really ed up really bad, but just...wow. Amazing.

It makes it that much more fun. Nothing like it on the planet.

True that!

Plus, political change and recomposition is good news, considering what the past 18 years have been like.

[Andrea]

Bersani 1,383,990 votes (44.9%)
Renzi 1,103,790 (35.5%)
Vendola 485,158 (15.6%)
Puppato 80,600 (2.6%)
Tabacci 40,030 (1.4%)

[Zanas]

It seems the voters have reached more than 3 millions. What's it regarding what was expected ? Success, failure ? It is somehow very close to the turnout the Left open primaries had experienced last year here in France, and it had been characterized has somewhat of a popular success.

[Keystone Phil]

Berlusconi is apparently waiting on the results of the runoff to see if he'll come back. According to Reuters, analysts think a Renzi win makes a comeback far less likely. Considering Bersani is favored to win...

[Keystone Phil]

Vendola lost Puglia to Bersani by two points. Bersani only got 49% in Emilia-Romagna but hit the mid 50s in places like Calabria and Basilicata. Renzi kicked ass in Tuscany. From what I can see, that's the only region he won.

[SPQR]

Renzi also won Umbria,Marche and Valle d'Aosta.
Anyway, 3.1 million is a success,also given the fact that there was a big debate concerning the registration process,which was very complex and many people were afraid it would depress turnout.

[Tender Branson]

What are the chances Renzi wins the run-off ?

It would be good if one of the younger ones take over instead of those used corropt assholes that plague almost every Italian party.

[Keystone Phil]

Renzi also won Umbria,Marche and Valle d'Aosta.
Anyway, 3.1 million is a success,also given the fact that there was a big debate concerning the registration process,which was very complex and many people were afraid it would depress turnout.

Weird. La Repubblica has Bersani winning Valle d'Aosta. I thought I checked the others earlier so I must have misread the results. Marche was very close.

What are the chances Renzi wins the run-off ?

It would be good if one of the younger ones take over instead of those used corropt assholes that plague almost every Italian party.

Unless Vendola gives a surprise endorsement, I don't see it happening.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Sigh... I guess there's no chance of a Renzi comeback at this point. The Italian left never ceases to disappoint.

[Peter the Lefty]

Oh boy.  They pick the establishment hack.  *sigh*.  By the way, Antonio, just out of curiosity, why'd you change your icon to Republican? 

[Keystone Phil]

Antonio, can you just put a disclaimer in your signature?

I'm surprised so many leftists here want Renzi. Maybe he isn't as centrist as the establishment says he is and/or you'd just really prefer a reformer over an ideological match.

Anyway, I read that Berlusconi might create another new center-right party by the end of this week. Think it's realistic?