Italy 2013: The official thread

[RogueBeaver]

I'll stick with PD... if they nominate Renzi. Otherwise not endorsing anyone.

[Niemeyerite]

I'll stick with PD... if they nominate Renzi or someone new. Otherwise not endorsing anyone SEL.

Never thought I'd say that. But no way I'll support the clown.

[Leftbehind]

Probably SEL or Civil Revolution depending on how close the former remains to this monstrosity of a coalition.

[Keystone Phil]

What are the chances SEL joins Civil Revolution? Seems like the a logical step. Vendola already said he won't support Letta. That could have been the final straw even if PD runs Renzi next time (and I believe Vendola has issues with Renzi anyway).

[RodPresident]

I support Grillo as he's only candidate who promises to deliver a real change.

[Sir John Johns]

How did the Lega Nord react on the formation of the Letta government? They should feel betrayed by Berlusconi, shouldn't? More generally speaking, which parties supported the new cabinet - apart of PD, PdL, SC and UDC?

[Andrea]

MPs present:623
MPs voting: 606
Abstentions: 17
Yes 453
No 153

Lega abstained

[Keystone Phil]

Let the countdown begin.

[batmacumba]

What are the chances SEL joins Civil Revolution? Seems like the a logical step. Vendola already said he won't support Letta. That could have been the final straw even if PD runs Renzi next time (and I believe Vendola has issues with Renzi anyway).

Is this some kind of oriundi collective subconscient? Everytime I have something to say about Italy, either you've already said or endorse it.

[politicus]

Let the countdown begin.

Six months? Or what do you guys think?

[Andrea]

Civic Revolution disbanded today

[Antonio the Sixth]

Let the countdown begin.

Six months? Or what do you guys think?

The thing to follow will be the polling curves. When PdL grows a 10 point lead, you can be sure Berslusconi's gonna pull the plug.

[Keystone Phil]

What are the chances SEL joins Civil Revolution? Seems like the a logical step. Vendola already said he won't support Letta. That could have been the final straw even if PD runs Renzi next time (and I believe Vendola has issues with Renzi anyway).

Is this some kind of oriundi collective subconscient? Everytime I have something to say about Italy, either you've already said or endorse it.

Why the hell did Civil Revolution disband? Didn't they stand the chance to seriously benefit from all of this?

[Antonio the Sixth]

What are the chances SEL joins Civil Revolution? Seems like the a logical step. Vendola already said he won't support Letta. That could have been the final straw even if PD runs Renzi next time (and I believe Vendola has issues with Renzi anyway).

Is this some kind of oriundi collective subconscient? Everytime I have something to say about Italy, either you've already said or endorse it.

Why the hell did Civil Revolution disband? Didn't they stand the chance to seriously benefit from all of this?

They failed miserably in the last elections for a reason...

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Let the countdown begin.

Six months? Or what do you guys think?

The thing to follow will be the polling curves. When PdL grows a 10 point lead, you can be sure Berslusconi's gonna pull the plug.

Well that won't happen as long as PdL is in a grand coalition. The only one who might get a 10-point lead in a near future will be Grillo.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Let the countdown begin.

Six months? Or what do you guys think?

The thing to follow will be the polling curves. When PdL grows a 10 point lead, you can be sure Berslusconi's gonna pull the plug.

Well that won't happen as long as PdL is in a grand coalition. The only one who might get a 10-point lead in a near future will be Grillo.

PdL was in a grand coalition during the Monti government, and yet they went from a 15-point deficit to a tie.

[RogueBeaver]

So long as SB's fingerprints aren't visibly on anything unpopular, he won't take a hit.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Let the countdown begin.

Six months? Or what do you guys think?

The thing to follow will be the polling curves. When PdL grows a 10 point lead, you can be sure Berslusconi's gonna pull the plug.

Well that won't happen as long as PdL is in a grand coalition. The only one who might get a 10-point lead in a near future will be Grillo.

PdL was in a grand coalition during the Monti government, and yet they went from a 15-point deficit to a tie.

Yes but only after they pulled the plug on Monti, and they were  only able to run against that goverment because they only supported it, not took part in it. It'll be harder to run against a goverment that they took part in.

[Zanas]

Let the countdown begin.

Six months? Or what do you guys think?

The thing to follow will be the polling curves. When PdL grows a 10 point lead, you can be sure Berslusconi's gonna pull the plug.

Well that won't happen as long as PdL is in a grand coalition. The only one who might get a 10-point lead in a near future will be Grillo.

PdL was in a grand coalition during the Monti government, and yet they went from a 15-point deficit to a tie.

Yes but only after they pulled the plug on Monti, and they were  only able to run against that goverment because they only supported it, not took part in it. It'll be harder to run against a goverment that they took part in.

You forget that voters are morons. Even moreso, it seems, Italian ones...

[Keystone Phil]

Worth mentioning here, too: Giulio Andreotti, possibly the only more controversial figure than Berlusconi in Italian politics, has died at the age of 94.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Genuinely funny man as well. Sometimes even intentionally.

[Andrea]

Centre-left incumbent held Udine mayorality in the run off

PD-SEL & Co 54.69%
PDL-Lega-UDC&Co 45.31%

Turnout dropped from 60.57% to 48.4%.

2 weeks ago Centre-Left got 21,408 votes and Centre-Right 16,574.

In the run off, Centre-Left 20,631 and Centre-Right 17,094.

It looks like Grillini (14.67% on first round) didn't vote this time and there has been little movements between the 2 main blocks.

[Keystone Phil]

Will our resident Italians please fill us in on the Rome Mayoral election? Can Alemanno hang on? Is he favored?

[Andrea]

I've found 2 polls

Datamonitor: Marino 37% Alemanno 32% De Vito (5 Stars) 17% Marchini (Independent) 10%
Spincon: Marino 34.8% Alemanno 30% De Vito 18.9% Marchini 11.2%

They didn't test a run off.

[Keystone Phil]

Thanks! Would be cool to have someone with a strong Philadelphia connection as Mayor there but I'm hoping Alemanno can hang on.

Isn't Marchini from the right?