Italy 2013: The official thread

[Andrea]

In other news, it turns out the retirement pension reform was messed up badly, having resulted in tenths of thousands formerly early-retired people now being left without any resources. The government barely seems to care.

The government and INPS (the National Social Security Institute) don't seem to exactly know how many early retired people there are out there. Every week we get new figures or they find out new people!

The current topic is the spending review. Where will cuts fall? There're the never ending proposals of cutting provinces (it's always proposed recently...but never done!).

[Andrea]

Sicily regional elections

Turnout: 47.42%

2,280 polling stations reported out of 5,308

Crocetta (PD+UDC) 30.8%
Musumeci (PdL) 24.8%
Cancellieri (Grillo) 18.8%
Micciché (Fli, MPA, Big South) 14.9%
Marano (Di Pietro+Left) 6.2%

Lists
5 Stars (Grillo) 15.5%
PD 13.8%
PdL 12.3%
UDC 10.2%
MPA 9%
Movimento Politico (Crocetta) 6.8%
Big South 6.4%
Cantiere Popolare (Musumeci) 6.2%
Musomeci for President 5.5%
FLI 3.9%
Italy of Values 3.5%
SEL 3.2%
Centrist Alliance (Musumeci) 0.2%

various other lists not supporting big contenders taking 0-1.5%

[Andrea]

Crocetta isn't likely to get an overall majority in the regional chamber though.

[Andrea]

Crocetta isn't likely to get an overall majority in the regional chamber though.

Last I heard, he was going to get 40 deputies out of 80.
It shouldn't be too hard to govern overall.

I think the overall number of Cllrs (regional deputies as they call them there) is 90. 80 elected with PR lists + 10 as a sort of bonus

At the moment

5 Stars 14 seats
PD 14
PdL 13
UDC 11
MPA 10
Grande Sud 5
Crocetta for President 5
Musumeci for President 4
Cantiere Popolare 4

+
Crocetta
Musumeci
the whole blocked list linked to Crocetta (8 people)

[Andrea]

Some help, please, from the Italians: is this March 10th date the day for the Parliamentary elections or just the regional Special elections?

just the regional special elections...for the moment
PdL would like to have the parliamentary elections on the same day. Nothing has been decided yet though. However, pushing regional elections from January to March makes a big election day more likely than before.

[Andrea]

Tomorrow is the first round of the center-left primary.

Does anyone know the time the polls close (Italian time) and if we can expect real time coverage (network?) or will the full results be released at one by the party at a later time?

Voting is from 8:00 to 20:00

I hope the party won't release the results all at once but in a sort of live update online during the count.

I have decided to vote Puppato tomorrow

[Andrea]

Reuters is reporting that results are expected around midnight (Italian time) so I assume it's just going to be a publication of the final result.

PD says we will get first 300 polling stations just after 9PM

[Andrea]

Andrea, do you know if Sky or RAI will be covering the results live?

I just checked:  SKY, Rai 3 (they start at 21:30) and Rai News will have live shows tonight.

[Andrea]

RAI International will have Milan-Juve (which I'd rather watch anyway!) so I'll have to find an Internet stream. Thanks!

I suppose main papers (Repubblica and Corriere) will cover it with live updates too

[Andrea]

Exit poll by Piepoli for Rai News
Bersani 44 Renzi 36 Vendola 16 Puppato 3 Tabacci 1%

[Andrea]

The page for official results...it doesn't work for me at the moment

http://www.risultati.primarieitaliabenecomune.it/

[Andrea]

Renzi's team says it will be closer: 44 to 40%

First results from PD headquarter

Bersani: 406.043 (44.6)
Renzi 335.648 (36.9%
Vendola 131.041 (14.4%)
Puppato 26.890 (3.)
Tabacci 10783 (1.2%)

[Andrea]

Paris

Vendola 348 votes Bersani 245 Renzi 200 Puppato 53 Tabacci 12

[Andrea]

Going through the results page on PD website...so far

Piemente: neck and neck
Lombardia: Bersani ahead by 8-9%
Trentino: Bersani leading by 11%
Veneto: neck and neck
Friuli: Bersani ahead by 7%
Liguria: Bersani ahead by 13%
Emilia: Bersani ahead by 10 (but less than 50% so far in his homeregion)
Toscana: Renzi at 52% Bersani 36%
Umbria: Renzi by 2%
Marche: neck and neck
Lazio: Bersani 47 Renzi 29 Vendola 20
Abruzzo: Bersani 46 Renzi 32 Vendola 19
Molise: Bersani 42 Renzi 32 Vendola 23
Campania: Bersani 51 Renzi 25 Vendola 18
Puglia: neck and neck between Bersani and Vendola
Basilicata: landslide for Bersani
Calabria: even more than Basilicata
Sicilia: Bersany by 20 points
Sardegna: Bersani over 50%

[Andrea]

Bersani 1,383,990 votes (44.9%)
Renzi 1,103,790 (35.5%)
Vendola 485,158 (15.6%)
Puppato 80,600 (2.6%)
Tabacci 40,030 (1.4%)

[Andrea]

Results by province

http://www.primarieitaliabenecomune.it/risultati


Renzi carried Cuneo, Asti, Como, Lecco, Verona, Vicenza, Pordenone, Lucca, Pistoia, Firenze, Pisa (Livorno checked who Pisa voted for and switched to Bersani), Arezzo, Siena, Grosseto, Perugia, Pesaro, Macerata, Fermo,

Vendola carried Bari, Brindisi, Lecce

Tie in Alessandria

Everything else for Bersani

Top for candidates

Bersani: Ogliastra (73.2%) Vibo Valentia (71.8%) Messina (64.2%)
Renzi: Arezzo (62.7) Lucca (59.7) Pistoia (57.2)
Vendola: Bari (47.3) Brindisi (40.3) Lecce (38.9)
Puppato: Treviso (18.5) Belluno (11.3) Vicenza (10.2)
Tabacci:  Benevento (13.4%) Barletta Andria Trani (9%) Catanzaro (8.3%)

Bottom:

Bersani: Lucca (28.9%) Arezzo (29.9%) Bari (30.7)
Renzi: Vibo (13) Oglianstra (17) Nuoro (17)
Vendola: Arezzo (7.1) Vibo (7.4) Enna (7.6) Piacenza (7.6)
Puppato: Arezzo (3 votes) Crotone (0.3) Trapani and Foggia (0.5%)
Tabacci: Prato (0.2) Lucca, Arezzo, Firenze, Pistoia, Siena, Brindisi, Isernia (all 0.3%)

[Andrea]

Have we already mentioned that tonight (21:15) on Rai 1 there will be a Bersani-Renzi debate?

[Andrea]

Vendola and Puppato voted Bersani. No surprises.

I want to see what was written in the 10% "justifications" for having missed the first round that they accepted.

[Andrea]

Exit poll giving the win to Bersani with 61%.

Turnout down compared to last Sunday.

Tabacci voted for Bersani. Unsurprisingly, old DC votes for the most traditionalist candidate.

[Andrea]

3552 polling places out of 9219

Bersani 394,832 (61.11%)
Renzi 251,248 (38.89%)

Renzi ahead only in Tuscany so far.

[Andrea]

SHIIT

Paris:  Bersani 438 votes; Renzi 246.

[Andrea]

So far, Renzi won Cuneo, Arezzo, Firenze, Lucca, Pistoia, Prato, Siena
Too close to call: Grosseto, Perugia, Fermo
Every other area to Bersani

[Andrea]

do we have final figures? I wanted to check difference between Bersani's and Renzi's totals compared to first round but it seems PD is not updating anymore as few hundreds polling stations are always missing

[Andrea]

Latest poll

ISPO (fieldwork: 10 December)

PD 33.1%
5 Stelle 18.2%
PdL 16.3%
Lega 5.9%
SEL 5.4%
UDC 5.2%
Di Pietro 3.5%
Montezemolo 2.1%
La Destra 2%
Commies 1.9%
Fini 1.5%
Pannella-Bonino 1%


49% were don't know/won't vote

[Andrea]

Is it definitely February 17th? One of my friends (a PD activist) said it "may be" that date so that led me to believe it's still between then and February 24th. I also didn't see anything on the newspaper websites stating a definitive date.

Your friend is right