talking points that piss you off

[Oldiesfreak1854]

"strong defense"
"Obama is a socialist"
Republicans are the "party of the rich" and Democrats the "party of the little guy"
"Gay marriage is a threat to traditional marriage!"

Your third talking point is the one that annoys me most.

[asexual trans victimologist]

Liberals are "nice people", conservatives are "nasty people"

The rich have a "fair share" that they must pay for welfare

South Africa is a better country now than in 1994

Global Warming

I'm a little leery of the implications of not liking the third.

[Hashemite]

South Africa is a better country now than in 1994

Dear God.

[Emperor SJoyce]

South Africa is a better country now than in 1994

Global Warming

Cool! Now there's somebody we can talk to about all the talking points we hate, like "Black people are better off now than in 1964", "the 13th Amendment was a great idea", "Science is typically correct", things like that.

[IDS Legislator Alfred F. Jones]

South Africa is a better country now than in 1994

Global Warming

Cool! Now there's somebody we can talk to about all the talking points we hate, like "Black people are better off now than in 1964", "the 13th Amendment was a great idea", "Science is typically correct", things like that.

Israel deserves to exist.
Albert Einstein was very smart.

[TJ in Wisco]

"The Democrats are the party of Science"

especially when said by liberal arts majors

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

"The Democrats are the party of Science"

especially when said by liberal arts majors

It pisses you off because it's true.

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Activist liberal judges

[TJ in Wisco]

"The Democrats are the party of Science"

especially when said by liberal arts majors

It pisses you off because it's true.

Only if all of the scientific world consisted of evolution, embryonic stem cell research, and global warming. All of that together isn't worth terribly much when the left is constantly trying to divert educational resources toward arts and humanities fields and encouraging people to major in something other than hard science since whether a field is practical or useful should apparently not be a consideration (at least according to most of the people on this board). Most of the liberals who are complaining about federal funding for embryonic stem cell research don't even understand why we would want to fund it instead of using adult stem cells.

[Emperor SJoyce]

"The Democrats are the party of Science"

especially when said by liberal arts majors

It pisses you off because it's true.

Only if all of the scientific world consisted of evolution, embryonic stem cell research, and global warming. All of that together isn't worth terribly much when the left is constantly trying to divert educational resources toward arts and humanities fields and encouraging people to major in something other than hard science since whether a field is practical or useful should apparently not be a consideration (at least according to most of the people on this board). Most of the liberals who are complaining about federal funding for embryonic stem cell research don't even understand why we would want to fund it instead of using adult stem cells.

Are you saying that everyone should major in "hard science"?

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

"The Democrats are the party of Science"

especially when said by liberal arts majors

It pisses you off because it's true.

Only if all of the scientific world consisted of evolution, embryonic stem cell research, and global warming. All of that together isn't worth terribly much when the left is constantly trying to divert educational resources toward arts and humanities fields and encouraging people to major in something other than hard science since whether a field is practical or useful should apparently not be a consideration (at least according to most of the people on this board). Most of the liberals who are complaining about federal funding for embryonic stem cell research don't even understand why we would want to fund it instead of using adult stem cells.

The point is going over your head, I see. Democrats are the party of science because it's  overwhelmingly supported by scientists in a way that few parties around the world are.

[TJ in Wisco]

"The Democrats are the party of Science"

especially when said by liberal arts majors

It pisses you off because it's true.

Only if all of the scientific world consisted of evolution, embryonic stem cell research, and global warming. All of that together isn't worth terribly much when the left is constantly trying to divert educational resources toward arts and humanities fields and encouraging people to major in something other than hard science since whether a field is practical or useful should apparently not be a consideration (at least according to most of the people on this board). Most of the liberals who are complaining about federal funding for embryonic stem cell research don't even understand why we would want to fund it instead of using adult stem cells.

The point is going over your head, I see. Democrats are the party of science because it's  overwhelmingly supported by scientists in a way that few parties around the world are.

If you look at college faculty by field of study, the hard science fields are significantly less favorable to Democrats than social sciences. The Democrats are really more of the party of English Literature.

[TJ in Wisco]

"The Democrats are the party of Science"

especially when said by liberal arts majors

It pisses you off because it's true.

Only if all of the scientific world consisted of evolution, embryonic stem cell research, and global warming. All of that together isn't worth terribly much when the left is constantly trying to divert educational resources toward arts and humanities fields and encouraging people to major in something other than hard science since whether a field is practical or useful should apparently not be a consideration (at least according to most of the people on this board). Most of the liberals who are complaining about federal funding for embryonic stem cell research don't even understand why we would want to fund it instead of using adult stem cells.

Are you saying that everyone should major in "hard science"?

No, only that it should be encouraged and considered when awarding federal money to students. The government should be more interested in a return on its investment than it is.

[I left.]

Education isn't and shouldn't be merely considered an "investment".

[Hashemite]

I see that TJ has returned with this old stupid "only real hard sciences are good/useful/worthwhile" argument

I would like to thank him for including this argument in this thread, because it is a talking point which pisses me a whole lot.

[Sibboleth]

I believe that the technical term for someone who holds such views about higher education is 'dickhead'.

[Ghyl Tarvoke]

It is always a bad sign for a thread when it is responsible for adding people to my ignore list.

[Progressive Realist]

Treating higher education as only an "investment" is a terrible attitude to have.

Not everyone's sole purpose in life is to make money.

[freefair]

"Allocating high quality vocational and tradesmanship based education (Plastering, Carpentry, Bricklaying, Car Mechanics, Metalwork, Plumbimg, Electrician skills, Baking) etc to academically less able students creates a two tier system of well to do "Posh" clever kids and poor kids.
After all, its not like there are any well paid jobs in these areas or any need for the skills, eh? Those Polish people are mere decoration.
After all, its not like they may enjoy or be good at these things!"

Merit based , parallell systems are the best.  Yes, the old system was imperfect, but we through the baby out with the bath water. We should have built more Secondary Technicals, introduced a second chance to get in to Grammar Schools at 14 for improved pupils, expanded grammars and funded  the SecMods better. Its what they did in Germany. We have wasted 3 generations of vocational potential.
Also, rename the worst performing Uni's Polytechnics. Not all of the ones that originally were, but most of them.

[shua]

"The Democrats are the party of Science"

especially when said by liberal arts majors

It pisses you off because it's true.

Only if all of the scientific world consisted of evolution, embryonic stem cell research, and global warming. All of that together isn't worth terribly much when the left is constantly trying to divert educational resources toward arts and humanities fields and encouraging people to major in something other than hard science since whether a field is practical or useful should apparently not be a consideration (at least according to most of the people on this board). Most of the liberals who are complaining about federal funding for embryonic stem cell research don't even understand why we would want to fund it instead of using adult stem cells.

The point is going over your head, I see. Democrats are the party of science because it's  overwhelmingly supported by scientists in a way that few parties around the world are.

The "science is defined as whatever a majority of scientists support" argument.

[afleitch]

Straights who think equal marriage is almost exclusively about 'their rights'

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

     I see everyone is ignoring the point of TJ's argument, that being that the government should regard education as an investment, such that education does not become a sinkhole of taxpayer dollars.

     That said, a problem I see with that argument is that liberal arts majors seem to be able to pay off their loans too. If liberal arts majors were defaulting in large numbers, then pushing college students into hard sciences would make more sense as a policy.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

What he's saying is that people who aren't majoring in science, especially the hard sciences, should not make claims as to who, if anybody, is the "party of science".

[hopper]

"Democrats are the party of the middle class"-Yeah if you are in a union job I think they would be. For any other middle class folks probably its probably a toss-up between the 2 parties.

[Progressive Realist]

"Democrats are the party of the middle class"-Yeah if you are in a union job I think they would be. For any other middle class folks probably its probably a toss-up between the 2 parties.

Sure, if you're white. But the middle class is not just white folks.