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Question: Whats your opinion of Socialism?
FI   -29 (39.7%)
HI   -21 (28.8%)
Too diverse to categorize as one ideology   -23 (31.5%)
Dunno   -0 (0%)
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« on: June 06, 2012, 06:38:14 pm »
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Freedom ideology or Horrible ideology or just too diverse to categorize?

Does it offer any real solutions to the problems we face today?
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 06:47:41 pm »
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Horrible ideoology.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 06:51:58 pm »
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Option 3, of course. There's a massive difference between socialism in Sweden and socialism in Cuba.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 06:52:43 pm »
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Quote from: Snowstalker on June 06, 2012, 06:51:58 pm
Option 3, of course.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 07:22:55 pm »
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Option 3, of course.

Though, overall, I have a higher opinion of socialism than either capitalism or neo-mercantilism.

All reasonable political-economic ideologies have the latent potential to deliver "real solutions" to the problems we face today. Choosing one over others is just a matter of our moral preferences.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 08:52:05 pm »
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Option 3, of course.

Though, overall, I have a higher opinion of socialism than either capitalism or neo-mercantilism.

All reasonable political-economic ideologies have the latent potential to deliver "real solutions" to the problems we face today. Choosing one over others is just a matter of our moral preferences.

Emphasis on 'latent'. As practiced some are certainly more practicable and helpful than others.
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2012, 12:45:44 am »
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Silly, misguided ideology. Believers are to be pitied and guided towards the light of liberalism.
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2012, 12:54:58 am »
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Option 3, definitely.  There is a pretty huge difference depending on what time period and what movement you're talking about.  I'd have been a Saint-Simonian had I been alive in the 1820s, for example.  At least, I like to think I would...I think living in Bourbon France would've radicalized me to that extent.  In the UK of that period someone like me would likely become a Utilitarian Philosophic Radical...it's late.  Why am I thinking about whether 1820s me would be starry-eyed over the comte de Saint Simon or Jeremy Bentham?
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2012, 07:10:37 am »
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Nordic Model- Very FI
Every single other form- HI
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2012, 08:00:08 am »
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Freedom ideology (The Nordic version, that is).
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 08:14:12 am »
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Horrible ideoology.
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2012, 08:18:36 am »
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Nordic Model- Very FI
Every single other form- HI

Jaurès too?
And what about this guy?
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 08:23:30 am »
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Quote from: batmacumba on June 07, 2012, 08:18:36 am

And what about this guy?
Good ideas, but he was a Tyrant.
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2012, 08:34:59 am »
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Voted FI assuming we're talking about the principles behind it - public ownership, greater social equality, redistribution of wealth etc.
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2012, 08:41:44 am »
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Quote from: batmacumba on June 07, 2012, 08:18:36 am

And what about this guy?
Good ideas, but he was a Tyrant.

In the original meaning of the word, I concede. And It's probable He would transition to the common meaning, as other similar leaders on that conditions awfuly did, many of them to be worse than the plague. But as He fell before It, I regard him as a mega FF.
I still not know if You think Jaurès had a HI, too.
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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2012, 09:45:51 am »
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Social democracy - Freedom ideology
Democratic socialism - Mixed
Revolutionary socialism/Marxism/Marxism-Leninism/Communism - Horrible ideology

I self identify as a social democrat, so I might be a tad biased. Tongue
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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2012, 10:52:10 am »
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Which socialism? Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2012, 12:01:45 pm »
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Like capitalism, it is a terrible idea when brought to all its logical conclusions, and a very good one when conceived with some pragmatism.
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2012, 02:21:43 pm »
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Like capitalism, it is a terrible idea when brought to all its logical conclusions, and a very good one when conceived with some pragmatism.

You still don't understand what socialism is.
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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2012, 12:38:54 am »
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The world needs more of it
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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2012, 03:23:16 am »
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Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production by society. It is not a welfare state, it is not state ownership of a few industries, and it is not state capitalism.

Marxism is logical from analysis of material conditions.
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2012, 04:11:49 am »
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Quote from: Objectif 289 on June 07, 2012, 12:01:45 pm
Like capitalism, it is a terrible idea when brought to all its logical conclusions, and a very good one when conceived with some pragmatism.

You still don't understand what socialism is.

Since I've not changed my mind from the last time we discussed about it, it means that you didn't manage to convince me.
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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2012, 04:48:29 am »
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Like capitalism, it is a terrible idea when brought to all its logical conclusions, and a very good one when conceived with some pragmatism.

You still don't understand what socialism is.

Since I've not changed my mind from the last time we discussed about it, it means that you didn't manage to convince me.

Then the only explanation is that you're too dumb. After all, this is the great Xahar here.
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2012, 08:31:37 am »
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Quote from: Objectif 289 on June 07, 2012, 12:01:45 pm
Like capitalism, it is a terrible idea when brought to all its logical conclusions, and a very good one when conceived with some pragmatism.

You still don't understand what socialism is.

Here I was going to say that he doesn't understand what capitalism is. Capitalism doesn't really have "logical conclusions."
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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2012, 08:51:28 am »
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Horrible, like all political "Ideologies".

Learning to let go of ideology is perhaps the greatest lesson I've learned, it allows me to think freely (kind of like atheism really).
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