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« on: January 18, 2005, 08:18:13 PM »

As we all know, the fourth district is electing a Senator on 2/18.  Josh22 and StatesRights are the candidates.  I think that it would be important to know their stances on the issues.  So, Josh22 and StatesRights, please use this list from ontheissues.org and answer these queriess with "Strongly Support," "Support," "No Opinion," "Oppose," or "Strongly Oppose."
 
Abortion Is A Woman's Right:
Sexual Orientation Protected By Civil Rights Law:
Permit prayer in public schools:
Death Penalty:
Mandatory "Three Strikes" Sentencing Laws:
Drug Use Is Immoral: Enforce Laws Against It:
Allow Churches to Provide Welfare Services:
Link Human Rights to Trade with China:
Require Companies To Hire More Women/Minorities:
More Federal Funding for Health Coverage:
Privatize Social Security:
Reduce Use of Coal and Oil as Energy Sources:
Decrease Overall Taxation of the Wealthy:
Immigration Helps Our Economy - Encourage It:
Support and Expand Free Trade:
Seek UN Approval for Military Action:
Absolute Right To Gun Ownership:
Parents Choose Schools Via Vouchers:
More Spending On Armed Forces:
Reduce Spending on Missile Defense ("Star Wars"):

Thank you so much,
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2005, 08:20:11 PM »

This should be a fun thread, lol.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2005, 08:23:49 PM »

I agree, I would also like to see this.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2005, 11:27:33 PM »

Abortion Is A Woman's Right: Oppose
Sexual Orientation Protected By Civil Rights Law: Oppose
Permit prayer in public schools: Support
Death Penalty: Strongly support
Mandatory "Three Strikes" Sentencing Laws: Strongly support
Drug Use Is Immoral: Enforce Laws Against It: Oppose
Allow Churches to Provide Welfare Services: Support
Link Human Rights to Trade with China: N/O
Require Companies To Hire More Women/Minorities: Oppose
More Federal Funding for Health Coverage: Strongly Oppose
Privatize Social Security: Support
Reduce Use of Coal and Oil as Energy Sources: Strongly Oppose
Decrease Overall Taxation of the Wealthy: Support
Immigration Helps Our Economy - Encourage It: Oppose
Support and Expand Free Trade: Support
Seek UN Approval for Military Action: Strongly Oppose
Absolute Right To Gun Ownership: Strongly Support
Parents Choose Schools Via Vouchers: Support
More Spending On Armed Forces: Support
Reduce Spending on Missile Defense ("Star Wars"): N/O

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2005, 11:39:09 PM »

Well... I agree with 8 of those points States Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2005, 11:56:49 PM »

What I mean with the question "Do you support lowering taxes for the rich" the question doesnt go deep enough IMHO. Because I feel taxes should not only be lowered for the rich but for everyone in general. That's why I say I support it overall. The only thing I believe the IRS should have power over is to tax corporations and never people, whether rich or poor.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2005, 07:14:07 PM »

Josh22?
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2005, 08:57:09 PM »


Is not active.  Basically he is a extreme populist who fluctuates from a -7.00 to -2.00 Eco and +8.00 to +3.00 Socially.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2005, 08:57:49 PM »

Is Josh22 planning on pulling a Hermit in this one?
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2005, 10:03:47 PM »

If dosen't even show up enough to provide a simple yes or no basically on a few platforms points then I can't really see how he is going to sufficiently represent and advocate the interests of District 4 and for that matter Atlasia as a whole.

Sometimes people are busy, you have to give them a break.  This isn't like the real world, sometimes people are absent for a couple of weeks.
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2005, 10:04:47 PM »

I will prefer an absent Senator as Josh22 to an extreme dixiecrat as the incumbent.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2005, 10:08:27 PM »

I will prefer an absent Senator as Josh22 to an extreme dixiecrat as the incumbent.

Absent senators do nothing and are a waste to the process.  Josh will not be elected and if he is, he will not show up.
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2005, 10:27:47 PM »

I will prefer an absent Senator as Josh22 to an extreme dixiecrat as the incumbent.

I am no extreme Dixiecrat. I am a moderate southern conservative dixiecrat.
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2005, 10:57:12 PM »


I am no extreme Dixiecrat. I am a moderate southern conservative dixiecrat.

lol.  Are you also liberal too?  Smiley

Seriously though, as a member of the same party I don't necessarily agree with him on everything at all; I just believe that Regional rights should be much stronger than Federal Jurisdiction on most things social and economic.

As Jake says, an absent Senator is not worth our time. 

With the recent try of the Senate to force NAFTA withdrawal, it was only the courageous Senators from the Southeast (WMS and StatesRights) and the Pacific that kept that crappy bill from coming to fruition.  An absent Senator would have hurt us most strongly in that fight.

Josh22 is also, as far as I can remember pretty far to States' left economically and is just as far right socially if more so.  For an economic conservative (libertarian) and a socially center-right person as myself, he would be poison to me.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2005, 11:03:17 PM »

I went through Josh's posts for the last six months and cobbled together at least some of his compass scores:

DateEcSoc
12/01/2005-0.47.29
08/01/2005-1.885.28
17/11/2004-6.382.72
14/11/2004-3.753.9
11/11/2004-4.121.18
05/08/2004-0.58
20/07/200415.75
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2005, 11:03:37 PM »
« Edited: January 19, 2005, 11:23:37 PM by ThePrezMex »


With the recent try of the Senate to force NAFTA withdrawal, it was only the courageous Senators from the Southeast (WMS and StatesRights) and the Pacific that kept that crappy bill from coming to fruition.  An absent Senator would have hurt us most strongly in that fight.


I have to give credit to Sen. States Rights about that vote and acknowledge that his was the decisive vote. Thank you for that.
That being said, I think that I only agree with him in some economic issues and I'm convinced that there doesn't exist another member of the forum with whom I could disagree more on the issues.
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2005, 11:19:51 PM »

I went through Josh's posts for the last six months and cobbled together at least some of his compass scores:

DateEcSoc
12/01/2005-0.47.29
08/01/2005-1.885.28
17/11/2004-6.382.72
14/11/2004-3.753.9
11/11/2004-4.121.18
05/08/2004-0.58
20/07/200415.75


So, I get a -2.29 Eco, 4.87 Soc. average rating for 7 tries.  Sure moves around though.  Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2005, 11:21:44 PM »


With the recent try of the Senate to force NAFTA withdrawal, it was only the courageous Senators from the Southeast (WMS and StatesRights) and the Pacific that kept that crappy bill from coming to fruition.  An absent Senator would have hurt us most strongly in that fight.


I have to give credit to Sen. States Rights about that vote and acknowledge that his was the decisive vote. Thank you for that.
That being said, I think that I only agree with him in some economic issues and I'm convinced that there doesn't exist another member of the forum with whom I could disagree more in the issues.


That's fine.  I was only presenting what I thought was good about him, especially with the NAFTA thing and the problems I have with josh22.

He'll have to try and convince you to vote for him.  I don't do stuff like that for others.  Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2005, 07:51:51 AM »

Abortion Is A Woman's Right: Strongly Oppose
Sexual Orientation Protected By Civil Rights Law: Oppose
Permit prayer in public schools: Support( only if students lead it)
Death Penalty: Stupport
Mandatory "Three Strikes" Sentencing Laws: I really don't care..
Drug Use Is Immoral: Enforce Laws Against It: Support
Allow Churches to Provide Welfare Services: Strongly Oppose
Link Human Rights to Trade with China: Strongly Support
Require Companies To Hire More Women/Minorities: Oppose
More Federal Funding for Health Coverage: Support
Privatize Social Security: Strongly Opposes
Reduce Use of Coal and Oil as Energy Sources: Stronly Support
Decrease Overall Taxation of the Wealthy: Support
Immigration Helps Our Economy - Encourage It:
Support and Expand Free Trade: Opposes
Seek UN Approval for Military Action: opposes
Absolute Right To Gun Ownership: opposes
Parents Choose Schools Via Vouchers: strongly support
More Spending On Armed Forces: Support
Reduce Spending on Missile Defense ("Star Wars"): neutral

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2005, 07:54:06 AM »

Sorry that i have not been active, I had alot of homework to do.... but im back again.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2005, 08:58:20 AM »

Well, both States and Josh are to the right of me on social issues (States 10%, Josh 12%, me 45%) - so I'm not inclined to vote for either on that score.

However, on economic issues I'm pretty close to Josh: he scores 34% to my 32% (States is way-off radar on 84%)

I'm inclined to vote for Josh - but because he supports decreasing overall taxation on the wealthy he cannot count on my support

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2005, 03:10:50 PM »

Abortion Is A Woman's Right: Strongly Oppose
Sexual Orientation Protected By Civil Rights Law: Oppose
Permit prayer in public schools: Support( only if students lead it)
Death Penalty: Stupport
Mandatory "Three Strikes" Sentencing Laws: I really don't care..
Drug Use Is Immoral: Enforce Laws Against It: Support
Allow Churches to Provide Welfare Services: Strongly Oppose
Link Human Rights to Trade with China: Strongly Support
Require Companies To Hire More Women/Minorities: Oppose
More Federal Funding for Health Coverage: Support
Privatize Social Security: Strongly Opposes
Reduce Use of Coal and Oil as Energy Sources: Stronly Support
Decrease Overall Taxation of the Wealthy: Support
Immigration Helps Our Economy - Encourage It:
Support and Expand Free Trade: Opposes
Seek UN Approval for Military Action: opposes
Absolute Right To Gun Ownership: opposes
Parents Choose Schools Via Vouchers: strongly support
More Spending On Armed Forces: Support
Reduce Spending on Missile Defense ("Star Wars"): neutral



With whatever influence I may have, I now publically announce my support for Josh22 (with no knock against StatesRights).  Being the most liberal of the two candidates by supporting some gun control, opposing privitization, and supporting the environment, I can't imagine not voting for him.  Good luck, Josh22, you'll need it!
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2005, 04:03:31 PM »

Well, both States and Josh are to the right of me on social issues (States 10%, Josh 12%, me 45%) - so I'm not inclined to vote for either on that score.

However, on economic issues I'm pretty close to Josh: he scores 34% to my 32% (States is way-off radar on 84%)

I'm inclined to vote for Josh - but because he supports decreasing overall taxation on the wealthy he cannot count on my support

Dave


Almost got your support... but support who ever you fell like support.
P.S. I support cutting taxes for everyone not just the rich....
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2005, 04:05:33 PM »

Abortion Is A Woman's Right: Strongly Oppose
Sexual Orientation Protected By Civil Rights Law: Oppose
Permit prayer in public schools: Support( only if students lead it)
Death Penalty: Stupport
Mandatory "Three Strikes" Sentencing Laws: I really don't care..
Drug Use Is Immoral: Enforce Laws Against It: Support
Allow Churches to Provide Welfare Services: Strongly Oppose
Link Human Rights to Trade with China: Strongly Support
Require Companies To Hire More Women/Minorities: Oppose
More Federal Funding for Health Coverage: Support
Privatize Social Security: Strongly Opposes
Reduce Use of Coal and Oil as Energy Sources: Stronly Support
Decrease Overall Taxation of the Wealthy: Support
Immigration Helps Our Economy - Encourage It:
Support and Expand Free Trade: Opposes
Seek UN Approval for Military Action: opposes
Absolute Right To Gun Ownership: opposes
Parents Choose Schools Via Vouchers: strongly support
More Spending On Armed Forces: Support
Reduce Spending on Missile Defense ("Star Wars"): neutral



With whatever influence I may have, I now publically announce my support for Josh22 (with no knock against StatesRights).  Being the most liberal of the two candidates by supporting some gun control, opposing privitization, and supporting the environment, I can't imagine not voting for him.  Good luck, Josh22, you'll need it!

Thank you for your support. Hopefully I will voted into office.
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2005, 04:12:18 PM »

Well, both States and Josh are to the right of me on social issues (States 10%, Josh 12%, me 45%) - so I'm not inclined to vote for either on that score.

However, on economic issues I'm pretty close to Josh: he scores 34% to my 32% (States is way-off radar on 84%)

I'm inclined to vote for Josh - but because he supports decreasing overall taxation on the wealthy he cannot count on my support

Dave


Almost got your support... but support who ever you fell like support.
P.S. I support cutting taxes for everyone not just the rich....

Stealing my ideology again I see.

What I mean with the question "Do you support lowering taxes for the rich" the question doesnt go deep enough IMHO. Because I feel taxes should not only be lowered for the rich but for everyone in general. That's why I say I support it overall. The only thing I believe the IRS should have power over is to tax corporations and never people, whether rich or poor.
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