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« on: June 11, 2012, 07:31:51 pm »
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http://rt.com/usa/news/indiana-shooting-law-state-591/


Hold onto your holsters, folks: shooting a cop dead is now legal in the state of Indiana.

Governor Mitch Daniels, a Republican, has authorized changes to a 2006 legislation that legalizes the use of deadly force on a public servant — including an officer of the law — in cases of “unlawful intrusion.” Proponents of both the Second and Fourth Amendments — those that allow for the ownership of firearms and the security against unlawful searches, respectively — are celebrating the update by saying it ensures that residents are protected from authorities that abuse the powers of the badge.

Others, however, fear that the alleged threat of a police state emergence will be replaced by an all-out warzone in Indiana.

Under the latest changes of the so-called Castle Doctrine, state lawmakers agree “people have a right to defend themselves and third parties from physical harm and crime.” Rather than excluding officers of the law, however, any public servant is now subject to be met with deadly force if they unlawfully enter private property without clear justification.

“In enacting this section, the general assembly finds and declares that it is the policy of this state to recognize the unique character of a citizen's home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant,” reads the legislation.

Although critics have been quick to condemn the law for opening the door for assaults on police officers, supporters say that it is necessary to implement the ideals brought by America’s forefathers. Especially, argue some, since the Indiana Supreme Court almost eliminated the Fourth Amendment entirely last year. During the 2011 case of Barnes v. State of Indiana, the court ruled that a man who assaulted an officer dispatched to his house had broken the law before there was “no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.” In turn, the National Rifle Association lobbied for an amendment to the Castle Doctrine to ensure that residents were protected from officers that abuse the law to grant themselves entry into private space.

“There are bad legislators,” the law’s author, State Senator R. Michael Young (R) tells Bloomberg News. “There are bad clergy, bad doctors, bad teachers, and it’s these officers that we’re concerned about that when they act outside their scope and duty that the individual ought to have a right to protect themselves.”

Governor Daniels agrees with the senator in a statement offered through his office, and notes that the law is only being established to cover rare incidents of police abuse that can escape the system without reprimand for officers or other persons that break the law to gain entry.

“In the real world, there will almost never be a situation in which these extremely narrow conditions are met,” Daniels says. “This law is not an invitation to use violence or force against law enforcement officers.”

Officers in Indiana aren’t necessarily on the same page, though. “If I pull over a car and I walk up to it and the guy shoots me, he’s going to say, ‘Well, he was trying to illegally enter my property,’” Sergeant Joseph Hubbard tells Bloomberg. “Somebody is going get away with killing a cop because of this law.”

“It’s just a recipe for disaster,” Indiana State Fraternal Order of Police President Tim Downs adds. “It just puts a bounty on our heads.”

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2012, 07:40:50 pm »
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Phew. Glad the NRA is lobbying for solutions to the big issues.
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2012, 08:07:42 pm »
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This doesn't bother me one bit. Why should cops be exempt and special compared to other citizens?
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2012, 08:10:20 pm »
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This doesn't bother me one bit. Why should cops be exempt and special compared to other citizens?

Well, if someone shows up to your house uninvited, do you think you have a right to murder them?
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2012, 08:12:58 pm »
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This doesn't bother me one bit. Why should cops be exempt and special compared to other citizens?

Well, if someone shows up to your house uninvited, do you think you have a right to murder them?

Of course not. But cops shouldn't receive some kind of special protection from this law that others don't. I should clarify, the law as a whole is bad, but if its going to exist it should apply to everyone.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2012, 08:26:02 pm »
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Just curious.  What constitutes "unlawful intrusion" under this legislation?  Presumably a cop entering a house with a search warrant is lawful.  But what about a couple of cops who knock on a door having received neighbors' reports of disturbance of the peace?  What about cops knocking on the door of a house when neighbors report currently witnessing criminal activity or child abuse in a house, or neighbors reporting a current break-in?  What's the line the legislation draws?
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2012, 08:28:36 pm »
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Just so we're clear, this is legalized murder, right?
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2012, 08:41:58 pm »
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There are a lot of types out there who recognize zero authority and will claim this law to shoot cops, even if the cops are really acting within the law. It will end up being misused.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2012, 09:33:35 pm »
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2012, 09:44:15 pm »
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     Didn't Indiana have a court ruling a while back that said that it was illegal to resist unlawful intrusion by police officers? Maybe they'll get it right one of these days.
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2012, 06:28:53 am »
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I eagerly await the new 'Cops - Turnabout is Fair-play' series.
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2012, 02:00:50 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2012, 05:32:27 pm »
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Somewhere in the world, NWA rejoices.

The legislature should do a cover.
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2012, 08:34:23 pm »
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Protip: don't believe anything on RT.

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More reliable than FOX-ABCNNBCBS.
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More reliable than FOX-ABCNNBCBS.
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2012, 08:55:09 pm »
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Somewhere in the world, NWA rejoices.

The legislature should do a cover.

Straight outta Indianapolis
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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2012, 09:33:42 pm »
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RT is not a reliable source whatsoever; people should have learned that from their coverage of the Libyan Civil War.

Anyway, if this is true, then combined with the flagrant abuse of the "Stand Your Ground" laws, things seem to be getting messy.
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2012, 07:34:06 pm »
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This doesn't bother me one bit. Why should cops be exempt and special compared to other citizens?
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2012, 08:39:47 am »
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This doesn't bother me one bit. Why should cops be exempt and special compared to other citizens?

Because maybe cops are put into situations much more dangerous than the average citizen.
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2012, 11:37:21 am »
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This doesn't bother me one bit. Why should cops be exempt and special compared to other citizens?

Because maybe cops are put into situations much more dangerous than the average citizen.

That's actually a myth used to drum up support for police. Where are cops 99% of the time? In interrogation rooms and behind the wheel writing tickets.
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2012, 11:57:59 am »
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NWA? I hope you mean Body Count.

Anyways. In favor.
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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2012, 12:15:40 pm »
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Just so we're clear, this is legalized murder, right?

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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2012, 04:35:05 pm »
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NWA? I hope you mean Body Count.

Anyways. In favor.

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