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« on: June 15, 2012, 04:23:28 PM »

I don't think the average conservative believes in or obeys the Golden Rule or loves his neighbor as himself.
I don't believe the 'average' person of any category does.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2012, 12:29:11 AM »

The federal government prints, mints, and distributes out the currency that we use on a daily basis.  That money therefore belongs to Caesar -to the federal government, not the people.  It is the government's money, not the people's. 

Jesus was not saying that all your money belongs to Caesar - much of the economic activity of Jesus' day did not involve coins with Caesar's image. Jesus was suggesting to pay your taxes to Caesar and your tithes to God. (The coins that were used for tithes did not have Caesar's image on them, but the coins that were used for taxes did.)
Jesus is setting out a conservative and conciliatory view - the radical view was to resist. These taxes were oppressive and so it's hard to imagine Jesus approving of them considering what he said and did about similar oppression by the Temple system - but Jesus was not interested in stirring up political revolt, and he wasn't interested in getting into an argument with his opponents about it.

This passage does highlight something about conservatives - which is the belief that different institutions play different roles. For example, there is a way to help the poor, and a way not to.
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2012, 01:17:00 AM »

The federal government prints, mints, and distributes out the currency that we use on a daily basis.  That money therefore belongs to Caesar -to the federal government, not the people.  It is the government's money, not the people's.  

Jesus was not saying that all your money belongs to Caesar - much of the economic activity of Jesus' day did not involve coins with Caesar's image. Jesus was suggesting to pay your taxes to Caesar and your tithes to God. (The coins that were used for tithes did not have Caesar's image on them, but the coins that were used for taxes did.)
Jesus is setting out a conservative and conciliatory view - the radical view was to resist. These taxes were oppressive and so it's hard to imagine Jesus approving of them considering what he said and did about similar oppression by the Temple system - but Jesus was not interested in stirring up political revolt, and he wasn't interested in getting into an argument with his opponents about it.

This passage does highlight something about conservatives - which is the belief that different institutions play different roles. For example, there is a way to help the poor, and a way not to.

The currency we use bear the images of past Caesars -of past Presidents, and other important figures and symbols central to America's identity as an independent federal republic.  So yes, the money we use does belong to the federal government.

Those symbols speak of liberty and republicanism, which is the opposite of the imperialism of Caesar.  Our currency bears images of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson (they would not have approved of being there) who fought against the idea that all wealth belongs to the king. 
If you want to use this passage to justify the government owning all money, you also have to accept as normative the authoritarianism behind Caesar's imperial economy.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2012, 01:47:20 AM »

Those symbols speak of liberty and republicanism, which is the opposite of the imperialism of Caesar.  Our currency bears images of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson (they would not have approved of being there) who fought against the idea that all wealth belongs to the king. 
If you want to use this passage to justify the government owning all money, you also have to accept as normative the authoritarianism behind Caesar's imperial economy.

Carry a lot of two dollar bills?

To Frodo: taking the concept at face value (all coins with Tiberius Caesar's face on them belong to the state) is a rather absurd proposition, as it would rule out any sort of economy whatsoever.
Sort of - but unlike today, the economy wasn't completely mediated through a single currency. 
(currency is standard issue money - it isn't limited to paper)
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2012, 11:34:03 PM »


Is the government not a body of people? If people are being helped, then it doesn't really matter. If you're trying to encourage people to be nice and charitable, that's great, but that's not an excuse for removing the government.
Of course it matters. It matters whether it is the most effective, whether people's deepest needs are really being met, and whether the means are just.
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