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« on: June 16, 2012, 10:45:26 am »
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I said during the 2008 campaign that universal healthcare would never happen in a million years in the US.  Democrats would either fail to ever get enough votes in Congress or the right wing Supreme Court would strike it down anyway.

Its simply not possible.  When are Democrats ever going to get 60 seats in the Senate and 260 seats in the House again?  Even if they somehow do, what's to stop the Supreme Court from striking it down again?

If the Supreme Court strikes this down, there will be no second chance for Democrats.  Remembering what happened in 1994 and 2010 when they tried to touch healthcare, even if they do get big majorities again, they will be too afraid to even go near healthcare reform.

These idiotic Dem Presidential candidates like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama need to get with the program and stop promising universal healthcare because its never going to happen.

This charade has been going on since FDR promised it in the 1930's.  If its been 80 years and it still hasnt happened, it never will. 
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2012, 11:21:55 am »
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Or Republicans could stop being hateful dicks about it.
And poor people could stop voting against their self interests because they've been indoctrinated that voting Democratic is equal to unpatriotic baby murdering.
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2012, 11:22:32 am »
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Mr. Phips needs to stop making concern troll threads about the Democrats.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2012, 11:43:02 am »
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It would be funny to see Mr.Phips make a thread in 1853 about Whigs needing to stop tease us with abolition because it will either never happen or be struck own by SCOTUS (which made slavery a right 3 years later..and now SCOTUS is threatening us with handing down the right not to have Health Care Access).
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2012, 12:34:54 pm »
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These idiotic Dem Presidential candidates like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama need to get with the program and stop promising universal healthcare because its never going to happen.

You mean the program that leaves tens of millions of Americans out of health insurance coverage and allows tens of thousands of them to die preventable deaths every year?  Yep, that's a program we can all be proud of.
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2012, 01:30:04 pm »
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Judging by the ludicrous (and rising) amount the US spends on healthcare I wouldn't be surprised if you are forced by money reasons to go to a single payer system, whichever party is in power.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2012, 03:55:28 pm »
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Judging by the ludicrous (and rising) amount the US spends on healthcare I wouldn't be surprised if you are forced by money reasons to go to a single payer system, whichever party is in power.

The Republican party would rather waste tons of money than do the right thing.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2012, 04:13:58 pm »
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Why must I be the first to point out that the Democratic party is not teasing anyone with anything  because they don't believe in it and have given no pretense in doing so, except some vague and obvious false to some of the more blind of the party faithful.

So, in other words, Be gone concern troll!
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2012, 05:05:09 pm »
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It would be funny to see Mr.Phips make a thread in 1853 about Whigs needing to stop tease us with abolition because it will either never happen or be struck own by SCOTUS (which made slavery a right 3 years later..and now SCOTUS is threatening us with handing down the right not to have Health Care Access).

No one is going to go to war for health care.
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2012, 05:06:43 pm »
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It would be funny to see Mr.Phips make a thread in 1853 about Whigs needing to stop tease us with abolition because it will either never happen or be struck own by SCOTUS (which made slavery a right 3 years later..and now SCOTUS is threatening us with handing down the right not to have Health Care Access).

No one is going to go to war for health care.

You type that as if that is something your nation should be proud of.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2012, 05:07:58 pm »
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It would be funny to see Mr.Phips make a thread in 1853 about Whigs needing to stop tease us with abolition because it will either never happen or be struck own by SCOTUS (which made slavery a right 3 years later..and now SCOTUS is threatening us with handing down the right not to have Health Care Access).

No one is going to go to war for health care.

You type that as if that is something your nation should be proud of.

I don't know why you would infer that from a statement of simple and undeniable fact.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2012, 05:12:39 pm »
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Regardless, the courts need to get out of politics. The present system of party hacks nominated by the President to sit there for life, telling the rest of us what to do, is grotesque.
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2012, 05:14:19 pm »
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It would be funny to see Mr.Phips make a thread in 1853 about Whigs needing to stop tease us with abolition because it will either never happen or be struck own by SCOTUS (which made slavery a right 3 years later..and now SCOTUS is threatening us with handing down the right not to have Health Care Access).

No one is going to go to war for health care.

You type that as if that is something your nation should be proud of.

I don't know why you would infer that from a statement of simple and undeniable fact.

Yes but the implication is hilarious when you consider the comparsion you were originally referring to (ie. Antebellum slavery).
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2012, 05:16:42 pm »
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Anyway, my point is that Phips would have been right in 1853 and is probably right now. The Whigs never did get more than a tease of abolition, the party collapsed under its own weight because of the issue. The political process never did allow abolition, it took war and secession, something you wont get over health care. The Democrats squandered a great opportunity in 2009 and the watery Obamacare is probably the best we can get. Thank people like Joe Lieberman and Diane Feinstein.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2012, 05:37:30 pm »
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...well Abolition was a vehicle for things like central monetary policy and internal improvements...can't a war over Abortion or Gays be a vehicle for things like Universal Healthcare or a new National Rail System?
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2012, 05:49:10 pm »
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if the US is going to exist in its current form for the duration of our lifetimes health care will have to be nationalized.
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2012, 08:02:29 pm »
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if the US is going to exist in its current form for the duration of our lifetimes health care will have to be nationalized.
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2012, 08:08:52 pm »
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Anyway, my point is that Phips would have been right in 1853 and is probably right now. The Whigs never did get more than a tease of abolition, the party collapsed under its own weight because of the issue. The political process never did allow abolition, it took war and secession, something you wont get over health care. The Democrats squandered a great opportunity in 2009 and the watery Obamacare is probably the best we can get. Thank people like Joe Lieberman and Diane Feinstein.

Squishy Democrats like that exist because of other voters of your stripe.
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2012, 08:16:01 pm »
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Until it's single-payer, it doesn't really matter anyway.

Not like it's going to happen, though. The US is slowly making its collapse more inevitable.
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2012, 08:36:06 pm »
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Until it's single-payer, it doesn't really matter anyway.

Not like it's going to happen, though. The US is slowly making its collapse more inevitable.

How?
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2012, 12:23:10 pm »
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...and what do you mean by "Collapse", that were going to go back to Great Britian or that we are just going to become 50 seperate countries?
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Quote from: Mr.Phips in 1776
I said recently that independence from the British crown would never happen in a million years in the American colonies. Its simply not possible. 

These idiotic Continental Congress delegates like Ben Franklin and Samuel Adams need to get with the program and stop promising independence because its never going to happen.
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2012, 02:34:23 pm »
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Anyway, my point is that Phips would have been right in 1853 and is probably right now. The Whigs never did get more than a tease of abolition, the party collapsed under its own weight because of the issue. The political process never did allow abolition, it took war and secession, something you wont get over health care. The Democrats squandered a great opportunity in 2009 and the watery Obamacare is probably the best we can get. Thank people like Joe Lieberman and Diane Feinstein.

Squishy Democrats like that exist because of other voters of your stripe.

Lol what is that supposed to mean?
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2012, 02:36:47 pm »
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Health care isn't a revolution or a war.

Abolition was innevitable because the founding documents of America promised life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The American Revolution happened in the midst of an enlightenment because foundational ideas like "consent of the governed" were flying around. Although abolition and the Revolution were contentious, they weren't as complex as the health care debate:

Life and liberty? Abolition!
Taxation without representation? Revolution!

There are natural connections between these ideas.

Where are the natural connections between America's foundational ideas and an overgrown state-run health care system? I don't like the way the OP said it, but he's probably right.
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2012, 02:39:16 pm »
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At the end of the day Universal Health Care is pretty simple. It's about every person's Right to Life. Arguably this is prior to all other rights, even those involved in the Revolution and Abolition, because if you are in bad health or dead you can't exercise any other rights.
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