The latest in the "Mitt Romney is amazingly rich" saga

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Sheesh, presidential elections really bring out the idiots.

Well these days, you pretty much have to be an idiot to want to run for president.

[WhyteRain]

So I guess no progressives here will even atempt to explain why Wall Street was "scared" by Sarah Palin but not by Barack Obama.  (Hint:  Right after her VP nomination Palin said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "had gotten too big and too expensive for the taxpayers".  That quote, especially after seeing how Palin manhandled Exxon-Mobil in Alaska, threw WS into a panic.  On the other ticket, they had the Senate's number one FNMA bagman....)

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did not have much to do with the global financial crisis, and you know that.

That's contrary to all the evidence, but it is what the Ruling Class wants you to say.  (Notice that even with the GOP in charge of Congress, there's no serious attempt to end taxpayer funding or increase government regulation of these banks?  Well, the GOP did try to increase regulation, I'll grant them that, but they never made the campaign issue of it that they should have -- though I realize that Fannie and Freddie had millions to spend against any candidate who tried.)

[WhyteRain]

WhyteRain, why would we care about that?  That doesn't make Sarah Palin less bad than Obama.  

Of course we all realize that both parties - and in fact every living person - are servants of the controlling oligarchy (capitalism), but this is hardly an indictment of Obama.  The important point to take home from this thread is that Romney is rich - he isn't just a servant of the rich.  So, he's not just a representative of the killing class, or an apologist for it - he is an embodiment of it.  Another way to put it is there are those with blood on their hands, and those with a belly full of the stuff.  This is what separates the Obamas and the Clintons from the Bushes and the Romneys.

First, let's use the right terminology.  We have not had a classic liberal economy since the Civil War.  The only people in the U.S. today who favor classic liberal economics are Libertarians and Tea Partyers.  What we have now is "a partnership of government, labor, and business" -- the very definition of fascism.

Second, I guess it shouldn't surprise me any longer to hear Democrats say that people who were born into the elitist, oligarchial Ruling Class (as you cited, Bush and Romney) are innately worse than the people who strive to be accepted into it (as you cited, Clinton and Obama).  I wish you'd think about that for a bit.

Third, if I were still a Democrat, I'd be more than a little curious why my party leaders keep telling me that I should hate the "Main Street" Republicans more than the "Wall Street" ones.

[opebo]

Second, I guess it shouldn't surprise me any longer to hear Democrats say that people who were born into the elitist, oligarchial Ruling Class (as you cited, Bush and Romney) are innately worse than the people who strive to be accepted into it (as you cited, Clinton and Obama).  I wish you'd think about that for a bit.

I wish you would think about it.  You're making the mistake of placing importance on 'intent' or 'free will'.  The capitalist hierarchy is consuming you, and you're nitpicking about the difference between the manner born and the climbing toady.

We all strive to be accepted by the system - we have no choice.  Believe me, I'd be for guillotining the lot.  The way to identify your enemy is simple - ask  yourself 'does he have more privilege than me' - and how much money he has got is the best way to identify privilege. 

We don't need to get into the wears-eyeglasses or speaks-French methods just yet, though I can certainly see their merit.

[President von Cat]

It is comforting that this site's Republicans find WhyteRain just as irritating as its Democrats do.

What ever happened to Politico, BTW?

[WhyteRain]

It is comforting that this site's Republicans find WhyteRain just as irritating as its Democrats do.

If they didn't, I'd be worried. 

Anyway, I'm just like a visitor from another planet who came down to America and can look at its politics, history, and culture without the burdens of preconceptions.  It's the preconceptions of both Republicans and Democrats that make my comments, no matter how fact-based, sound jarring and outlandish for both of them. 

[BigSkyBob]

And, I thought the news was going to be,  "An even richer dude is going to be his stand in for Obama's debate prep." The Kerry's are worth about twice as much as the Romneys. The Romneys have about a fourth of what the Gores have. Romney speculated well in the 80's. Kerry dated well in the same time frame, and Gore sold his name and connections to Google's legal department in this century. Somehow, wealth didn't matter in 2004, and doesn't discredit Gore today.

[Napoleon]

Most rich Wall Streeters and Ivy Leaguers are Democrats, so Romney is seen as a traitor to his class.

Speaking of Wall Streeters, I saw on one of the financial news channels recently a Wall Streeter who said the reason Obama in 2008 got so much Wall Street money was the hate and fear Wall Street had for Sarah Palin.  These people are not stupid, so they could not be distracted by the MSM themes about Palin's pregnant daughter or $150,000 wardrobe.  No, they read up on how Palin as Alaska Governor instituted strict government ethics laws and pounded Big Oil on taxes and the natural gas pipeline.

Most "Wall Streeters" are Republicans, through and through.

Election results from Manhattan would seem to belie that statement.

And my father, and all his friends, and so on.

[Torie]

It is comforting that this site's Republicans find WhyteRain just as irritating as its Democrats do.

If they didn't, I'd be worried.  

Anyway, I'm just like a visitor from another planet who came down to America and can look at its politics, history, and culture without the burdens of preconceptions.  It's the preconceptions of both Republicans and Democrats that make my comments, no matter how fact-based, sound jarring and outlandish for both of them.  

You sound almost like a divine figure. How did you manage to become the master of it all so young? Yes, I know, you have not posted your age, but this old man has a certain sense about these things.

[WhyteRain]

It is comforting that this site's Republicans find WhyteRain just as irritating as its Democrats do.

If they didn't, I'd be worried.  

Anyway, I'm just like a visitor from another planet who came down to America and can look at its politics, history, and culture without the burdens of preconceptions.  It's the preconceptions of both Republicans and Democrats that make my comments, no matter how fact-based, sound jarring and outlandish for both of them.  

You sound almost like a divine figure. How did you manage to become the master of it all so young? Yes, I know, you have not posted your age, but this old man has a certain sense about these things.

For what it's worth, I am older than the current flag of the United States.

[Torie]

It is comforting that this site's Republicans find WhyteRain just as irritating as its Democrats do.

If they didn't, I'd be worried.  

Anyway, I'm just like a visitor from another planet who came down to America and can look at its politics, history, and culture without the burdens of preconceptions.  It's the preconceptions of both Republicans and Democrats that make my comments, no matter how fact-based, sound jarring and outlandish for both of them.  

You sound almost like a divine figure. How did you manage to become the master of it all so young? Yes, I know, you have not posted your age, but this old man has a certain sense about these things.

For what it's worth, I am older than the current flag of the United States.

Born prior to 1959 eh, so in your 50's?  My bad - but disturbing. In my case, the more I know, the more I realize just how much I don't know.

[WhyteRain]

It is comforting that this site's Republicans find WhyteRain just as irritating as its Democrats do.

If they didn't, I'd be worried.  

Anyway, I'm just like a visitor from another planet who came down to America and can look at its politics, history, and culture without the burdens of preconceptions.  It's the preconceptions of both Republicans and Democrats that make my comments, no matter how fact-based, sound jarring and outlandish for both of them.  

You sound almost like a divine figure. How did you manage to become the master of it all so young? Yes, I know, you have not posted your age, but this old man has a certain sense about these things.

For what it's worth, I am older than the current flag of the United States.

Born prior to 1959 eh, so in your 50's?  My bad - but disturbing. In my case, the more I know, the more I realize just how much I don't know. [emphasis added]

When asked what I find are the truest signs of intelligence, yours is, nearly word-for-word, one of my frequent answers.  I'm glad to see someone else agrees.

[Lincoln Republican]

First Ann Romney's clothes.

Now, again, Ann Romney's horses.

What's next, Ann Romney's sterling silver picture frames?

Are the Dems really this desperate?

[President von Cat]

I seem to remember the GOP making a big deal out of arugula in 2008. I guess targeting people for being elitist is so four years ago.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

what is this thread

[opebo]

For what it's worth, I am older than the current flag of the United States.

And named after a shampoo:

[Franzl]

It is comforting that this site's Republicans find WhyteRain just as irritating as its Democrats do.

If they didn't, I'd be worried.  

Anyway, I'm just like a visitor from another planet who came down to America and can look at its politics, history, and culture without the burdens of preconceptions.  It's the preconceptions of both Republicans and Democrats that make my comments, no matter how fact-based, sound jarring and outlandish for both of them.  

You sound almost like a divine figure. How did you manage to become the master of it all so young? Yes, I know, you have not posted your age, but this old man has a certain sense about these things.

For what it's worth, I am older than the current flag of the United States.

And to think I thought the US education system was better back in those days. Appears not.

[WhyteRain]

I seem to remember the GOP making a big deal out of arugula in 2008. I guess targeting people for being elitist is so four ago.

Being "elitist" and being "rich" are two separate things.  One can be one without being the other.  Obama is definitely an elitist; Romney probably is, too. 

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I seem to remember the GOP making a big deal out of arugula in 2008. I guess targeting people for being elitist is so four ago.

Being "elitist" and being "rich" are two separate things.  One can be one without being the other.  Obama is definitely an elitist; Romney probably is, too. 

How is calling for higher taxes on thewealthy elitist. Please enlighten us.

[opebo]

Being "elitist" and being "rich" are two separate things.  One can be one without being the other.  Obama is definitely an elitist; Romney probably is, too. 

If by 'elitist' you mean worshiping the rich, then what you say may be true, but is of little interest.  Virtually every american worships the rich.  But it is nevertheless only the rich who consume others to live - they are the elite.

[All Along The Watchtower]

I seem to remember the GOP making a big deal out of arugula in 2008. I guess targeting people for being elitist is so four ago.

Being "elitist" and being "rich" are two separate things.  One can be one without being the other.  Obama is definitely an elitist; Romney probably is, too. 

How is calling for higher taxes on thewealthy elitist. Please enlighten us.

It's a 1%er rich socialist plot to rob hard-working American job creators of their money!!!

[Wisconsin+17]

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Obama's Harvard alum, and Ivy Leaguer, Palin, well, is not.

[tmthforu94]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/dnc-regrets-offending-ann-romney-no-more-horse-ads/

I haven't seen the ad personally, but apparently Democrats released an ad that showed Ann Romney and her horse. Apparently they need to be reminded by Barack Obama that families are completely off limits.

[Simfan34]

Most rich Wall Streeters and Ivy Leaguers are Democrats, so Romney is seen as a traitor to his class.

Speaking of Wall Streeters, I saw on one of the financial news channels recently a Wall Streeter who said the reason Obama in 2008 got so much Wall Street money was the hate and fear Wall Street had for Sarah Palin.  These people are not stupid, so they could not be distracted by the MSM themes about Palin's pregnant daughter or $150,000 wardrobe.  No, they read up on how Palin as Alaska Governor instituted strict government ethics laws and pounded Big Oil on taxes and the natural gas pipeline.

Most "Wall Streeters" are Republicans, through and through.

Election results from Manhattan would seem to belie that statement.

Wall Street tycoons are a very small percentage of the total vote of an area that is over 1 million in population.

How about "election results from the Upper East Side and other neighborhoods Wall Street tycoons live in" if you didn't like my shorthand.

The UES also votes Democratic.

[Brittain33]

Most rich Wall Streeters and Ivy Leaguers are Democrats, so Romney is seen as a traitor to his class.

Speaking of Wall Streeters, I saw on one of the financial news channels recently a Wall Streeter who said the reason Obama in 2008 got so much Wall Street money was the hate and fear Wall Street had for Sarah Palin.  These people are not stupid, so they could not be distracted by the MSM themes about Palin's pregnant daughter or $150,000 wardrobe.  No, they read up on how Palin as Alaska Governor instituted strict government ethics laws and pounded Big Oil on taxes and the natural gas pipeline.

Most "Wall Streeters" are Republicans, through and through.

Election results from Manhattan would seem to belie that statement.

Wall Street tycoons are a very small percentage of the total vote of an area that is over 1 million in population.

How about "election results from the Upper East Side and other neighborhoods Wall Street tycoons live in" if you didn't like my shorthand.

The UES also votes Democratic.

Actual Wall Street employment among Manhattan residents is pretty low. Manhattan has a huge population in all kinds of industries. A lot of Wall Streeters are voting R in places like NJ-5 or Monmouth County. The Wall Streeters on the UES are voting R but are outvoted by others.