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« on: June 19, 2012, 05:46:15 pm »
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18514726

lol, who writes this?
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 09:04:41 pm »
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Rafael Correa is in some ways even worse than Hugo Chavez.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 10:18:25 pm »
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Why am I not surprised the coward is trying to flee justice?  If nothing else, Assange is abundantly illustrating that he is no Gandhi, King, or Mandela.  What he claims to be fearing isn't as bad as what they actually faced, and what he might possibly face, even if he were to somehow be sent to the US from Sweden, isn't remotely what he claims to fear.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2012, 10:50:06 pm »
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Assange is a shameless self-promoting coward and Correa is not a credit to the Latin American left.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2012, 11:07:05 pm »
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My favorite part is that when this story first broke a few years ago, all the half wits and usual suspects were saying he'd be dead by now.  Nope, still an attention whore.  (just like the half wits and usual suspects)
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2012, 03:34:57 am »
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If Assange were sent to the US by Sweden (which is less likely than from the UK), I somehow doubt he'd be executed - a lot of people did even more damage than he did and only got life sentences.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2012, 03:40:46 am »
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The Swedes claimed he was a flight risk as well... Am I correct in thinking he might have violated his bail conditions?
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2012, 04:32:33 am »
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I don't get all this. Is Assange so deluded that he actually believes in the conspiracy theories or is he so sure of being found guilty?
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2012, 06:06:46 am »
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A highly entertaining development.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2012, 09:59:09 am »
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I don't get all this. Is Assange so deluded that he actually believes in the conspiracy theories or is he so sure of being found guilty?

He may just want to avoid having to return to Sweden at all costs.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2012, 10:06:48 am »
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I don't get all this. Is Assange so deluded that he actually believes in the conspiracy theories or is he so sure of being found guilty?

He may just want to avoid having to return to Sweden at all costs.

Where they obviously are going to hang him (probably under CIA orders?)

Not saying you believe that Wink
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2012, 10:32:31 am »
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I don't get all this. Is Assange so deluded that he actually believes in the conspiracy theories or is he so sure of being found guilty?

He may just want to avoid having to return to Sweden at all costs.

Where they obviously are going to hang him (probably under CIA orders?)

Not saying you believe that Wink

Nah, Sweden just may be an awful place to spend your time.
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2012, 11:19:22 am »
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I don't get all this. Is Assange so deluded that he actually believes in the conspiracy theories or is he so sure of being found guilty?

He may just want to avoid having to return to Sweden at all costs.

Where they obviously are going to hang him (probably under CIA orders?)

Not saying you believe that Wink

Nah, Sweden just may be an awful place to spend your time.

True.  It produces people like Gustaf.

EDIT:  Worth pointing out that idealistic leftist idiots gave this scumbag 315,000 for his bail.  Since he's fleeing, the money is forfeited.  He just blew a third of a million dollars of his supporters' donated money on a ridiculous and likely-failed attempt to flee to Ecuador.
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2012, 02:21:50 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2012, 02:47:31 pm »
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... on a ridiculous and likely-failed attempt to flee to Ecuador.

I don't get Assange's thinking on this part - there isn't any obvious way for him to actually get to Ecuador. Barring something quite remarkable, it appears he's just confined himself to the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for however long the Ecuadorians will put up with him.
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2012, 03:26:16 pm »
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... on a ridiculous and likely-failed attempt to flee to Ecuador.

I don't get Assange's thinking on this part - there isn't any obvious way for him to actually get to Ecuador. Barring something quite remarkable, it appears he's just confined himself to the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for however long the Ecuadorians will put up with him.

Maybe he's trying to do the same sort of thing Chen did in China?
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2012, 04:15:26 pm »
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... on a ridiculous and likely-failed attempt to flee to Ecuador.

I don't get Assange's thinking on this part - there isn't any obvious way for him to actually get to Ecuador. Barring something quite remarkable, it appears he's just confined himself to the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for however long the Ecuadorians will put up with him.

Maybe he's trying to do the same sort of thing Chen did in China?

Chen was a de facto political prisoner of the Chinese and could only leave China with the acquiesence of the Chinese Government.

I can't imagine a circumstance whereby the British Government would acquiesce in allowing Assange to leave the Ecuadorian Embassy and depart the UK (other than in line with the determination of the British courts that he should be extradited to Sweden).
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2012, 05:43:48 pm »
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I don't get all this. Is Assange so deluded that he actually believes in the conspiracy theories or is he so sure of being found guilty?

He may just want to avoid having to return to Sweden at all costs.

Where they obviously are going to hang him (probably under CIA orders?)

Not saying you believe that Wink

Nah, Sweden just may be an awful place to spend your time.

True.  It produces people like Gustaf.

EDIT:  Worth pointing out that idealistic leftist idiots gave this scumbag 315,000 for his bail.  Since he's fleeing, the money is forfeited.  He just blew a third of a million dollars of his supporters' donated money on a ridiculous and likely-failed attempt to flee to Ecuador.

Ok, that is a fair point. Then again, pro-rape jerks should fit right in here!
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2012, 08:24:42 pm »
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I don't get all this. Is Assange so deluded that he actually believes in the conspiracy theories or is he so sure of being found guilty?

He may just want to avoid having to return to Sweden at all costs.

Where they obviously are going to hang him (probably under CIA orders?)

Not saying you believe that Wink

Nah, Sweden just may be an awful place to spend your time.

True.  It produces people like Gustaf.

EDIT:  Worth pointing out that idealistic leftist idiots gave this scumbag 315,000 for his bail.  Since he's fleeing, the money is forfeited.  He just blew a third of a million dollars of his supporters' donated money on a ridiculous and likely-failed attempt to flee to Ecuador.

Ok, that is a fair point. Then again, pro-rape jerks should fit right in here!

I just wish to say he is suspected of being a rapist. Not guilty until proved so by the Court, which didn't pronounced yet on that.

Through, yes, him flying is suspicious and doesn't help his case (through it should have no effect on the trial, as him being guilty or not must be based on facts, not impressions.)
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2012, 05:30:36 am »
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I don't get all this. Is Assange so deluded that he actually believes in the conspiracy theories or is he so sure of being found guilty?

He may just want to avoid having to return to Sweden at all costs.

Where they obviously are going to hang him (probably under CIA orders?)

Not saying you believe that Wink

Nah, Sweden just may be an awful place to spend your time.

True.  It produces people like Gustaf.

EDIT:  Worth pointing out that idealistic leftist idiots gave this scumbag 315,000 for his bail.  Since he's fleeing, the money is forfeited.  He just blew a third of a million dollars of his supporters' donated money on a ridiculous and likely-failed attempt to flee to Ecuador.

Ok, that is a fair point. Then again, pro-rape jerks should fit right in here!

I just wish to say he is suspected of being a rapist. Not guilty until proved so by the Court, which didn't pronounced yet on that.

Through, yes, him flying is suspicious and doesn't help his case (through it should have no effect on the trial, as him being guilty or not must be based on facts, not impressions.)

He's not even been charged in Sweden - at the moment they just want to talk to him.
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2012, 01:40:41 pm »
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I don't get all this. Is Assange so deluded that he actually believes in the conspiracy theories or is he so sure of being found guilty?

He may just want to avoid having to return to Sweden at all costs.

Where they obviously are going to hang him (probably under CIA orders?)

Not saying you believe that Wink

Nah, Sweden just may be an awful place to spend your time.

True.  It produces people like Gustaf.

EDIT:  Worth pointing out that idealistic leftist idiots gave this scumbag 315,000 for his bail.  Since he's fleeing, the money is forfeited.  He just blew a third of a million dollars of his supporters' donated money on a ridiculous and likely-failed attempt to flee to Ecuador.

Ok, that is a fair point. Then again, pro-rape jerks should fit right in here!

I just wish to say he is suspected of being a rapist. Not guilty until proved so by the Court, which didn't pronounced yet on that.

Through, yes, him flying is suspicious and doesn't help his case (through it should have no effect on the trial, as him being guilty or not must be based on facts, not impressions.)

He's not even been charged in Sweden - at the moment they just want to talk to him.

And they make such a deal of this? The Swede attorney/judge/whatever can take a plane and go in UK to talk to him, that would be simpler and quicker.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2012, 01:47:45 pm »
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These really don't look like the actions of an innocent man, especially because it's actually harder to be extradited from Sweden than it is from the UK.
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2012, 03:52:39 am »
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And they make such a deal of this? The Swede attorney/judge/whatever can take a plane and go in UK to talk to him, that would be simpler and quicker.

That isn't the way police forces operate on the whole. It is not hard for Assange to go to Stockholm himself - he can drive there in under 21 hours straight.
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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2012, 02:15:41 pm »
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And they make such a deal of this? The Swede attorney/judge/whatever can take a plane and go in UK to talk to him, that would be simpler and quicker.

That isn't the way police forces operate on the whole. It is not hard for Assange to go to Stockholm himself - he can drive there in under 21 hours straight.

And how cars leave UK? As far as I know, there is no bridge. Does Eurostar transport cars? The Dover-Calais boats, if they still exist?
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2012, 02:22:04 pm »
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And they make such a deal of this? The Swede attorney/judge/whatever can take a plane and go in UK to talk to him, that would be simpler and quicker.

That isn't the way police forces operate on the whole. It is not hard for Assange to go to Stockholm himself - he can drive there in under 21 hours straight.

And how cars leave UK? As far as I know, there is no bridge. Does Eurostar transport cars? The Dover-Calais boats, if they still exist?
Eurostar transports cars... sat next to a British couple in the Hofbrauhaus in Munich who had driven from suburban London
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