Assange seeks asylum in Ecuador

[opebo]

It is easy for a certain type of pack mentality to jeer at the desperate and rather hopeless moves of a man about to be crushed by the State, but I suppose living at the Ecuadorian embassy would be more comfortable than being tortured in Guantanamo or chemically castrated for not wearing a condom by the misandrist Swedes.

[opebo]

moderate heroism (translated: vapid liberal moralism) takes the thread

Oh say, I didn't see this, well done and well said.  Really your point is more apropos and certainly pithier than mine above, but I figured since everyone else was just saying 'rapist' and 'jerk' and 'scumbag' and 'leftist idiots', I thought I might express myself a little.

[dead0man]

And they make such a deal of this? The Swede attorney/judge/whatever can take a plane and go in UK to talk to him, that would be simpler and quicker.

That isn't the way police forces operate on the whole. It is not hard for Assange to go to Stockholm himself - he can drive there in under 21 hours straight.

And how cars leave UK? As far as I know, there is no bridge. Does Eurostar transport cars? The Dover-Calais boats, if they still exist?

Eurostar transports cars... sat next to a British couple in the Hofbrauhaus in Munich who had driven from suburban London

The Top Gear guys use the Chunnel.

[Win32]

According to an Associated Press headline, "Ecuador asylum bid may not succeed." I am glad to have been enlightened.

[London Man]

And they make such a deal of this? The Swede attorney/judge/whatever can take a plane and go in UK to talk to him, that would be simpler and quicker.

That isn't the way police forces operate on the whole. It is not hard for Assange to go to Stockholm himself - he can drive there in under 21 hours straight.

And how cars leave UK? As far as I know, there is no bridge. Does Eurostar transport cars? The Dover-Calais boats, if they still exist?

Yes, that's correct. He could even get a ferry to Norway as well.

[I Can't Get That Sound You Make, Out Of My Head]

I will say one thing, the laws for rape in Sweden is stupid.

I'm not sure whether going to Sweden though will make Assange more likely to be extradited though.

[London Man]

I will say one thing, the laws for rape in Sweden is stupid.

Please explain, I'd like to know why you think this.

[Gustaf]

moderate heroism (translated: vapid liberal moralism) takes the thread

Oh say, I didn't see this, well done and well said.  Really your point is more apropos and certainly pithier than mine above, but I figured since everyone else was just saying 'rapist' and 'jerk' and 'scumbag' and 'leftist idiots', I thought I might express myself a little.

You and Tweed really take these things way too seriously.

[opebo]

moderate heroism (translated: vapid liberal moralism) takes the thread

Oh say, I didn't see this, well done and well said.  Really your point is more apropos and certainly pithier than mine above, but I figured since everyone else was just saying 'rapist' and 'jerk' and 'scumbag' and 'leftist idiots', I thought I might express myself a little.

You and Tweed really take these things way too seriously.

Not so much, Gustaf - the point is in order to understand the main character of the story, one has to realize that he, quite naturally, does take it seriously.  No doubt you would as well were you in his shoes.

[asexual trans victimologist]

moderate heroism (translated: vapid liberal moralism) takes the thread

Oh say, I didn't see this, well done and well said.  Really your point is more apropos and certainly pithier than mine above, but I figured since everyone else was just saying 'rapist' and 'jerk' and 'scumbag' and 'leftist idiots', I thought I might express myself a little.

You and Tweed really take these things way too seriously.

Not so much, Gustaf - the point is in order to understand the main character of the story, one has to realize that he, quite naturally, does take it seriously.  No doubt you would as well were you in his shoes.

I understand the main character, I just find him unsympathetic. Perhaps interesting, but not sympathetic. Disappointingly and unevenly written, too.

[Gustaf]

moderate heroism (translated: vapid liberal moralism) takes the thread

Oh say, I didn't see this, well done and well said.  Really your point is more apropos and certainly pithier than mine above, but I figured since everyone else was just saying 'rapist' and 'jerk' and 'scumbag' and 'leftist idiots', I thought I might express myself a little.

You and Tweed really take these things way too seriously.

Not so much, Gustaf - the point is in order to understand the main character of the story, one has to realize that he, quite naturally, does take it seriously.  No doubt you would as well were you in his shoes.

If I started engaging in non-consensual sex I would take it seriously, yes.

[opebo]

I understand the main character, I just find him unsympathetic. Perhaps interesting, but not sympathetic. Disappointingly and unevenly written, too.

Really?  He's right up there with Bertie Wooster in my ranking.

If I started engaging in non-consensual sex I would take it seriously, yes.

If you have perpetrated heterosexual liaison in our patriarchal society, Gustaf, you have 'engaged in non-consensual sex'.  (according to some feminist analysis)

[I Can't Get That Sound You Make, Out Of My Head]

I will say one thing, the laws for rape in Sweden is stupid.

Please explain, I'd like to know why you think this.

From what I've heard it was consensual, but some circumstances like not wearing condoms now makes it illegal. I just don't agree with it.

[Ghyl Tarvoke]

Did I just see Opebo singing the glories of feminism?

Truly, this is an amazing thread of amazingness.

[dead0man]

I will say one thing, the laws for rape in Sweden is stupid.

Please explain, I'd like to know why you think this.

From what I've heard it was consensual, but some circumstances like not wearing condoms now makes it illegal. I just don't agree with it.

wait wait wait ....you think it's ok to tell someone you're going to wear a condom during sex and then lie and NOT wear a condom during sex?  Really?

[I Can't Get That Sound You Make, Out Of My Head]

I will say one thing, the laws for rape in Sweden is stupid.

Please explain, I'd like to know why you think this.

From what I've heard it was consensual, but some circumstances like not wearing condoms now makes it illegal. I just don't agree with it.

wait wait wait ....you think it's ok to tell someone you're going to wear a condom during sex and then lie and NOT wear a condom during sex?  Really?

No, but should it be illegal? That's more what I was getting at.

Yes, lying is bad. But do we know she would've refused sex if she had known Assange would not have used a condom?

And more importantly, wasn't he found innocent on said crimes beforehand?

[dead0man]

No, but should it be illegal? That's more what I was getting at.

yes

Yes, lying is bad. But do we know she would've refused sex if she had known Assange would not have used a condom?

I believe so.

And more importantly, wasn't he found innocent on said crimes beforehand?

If he had, wouldn't Sweden have dropped the whole thing by now?

[London Man]

And more importantly, wasn't he found innocent on said crimes beforehand?

IIRC, the Swedes dropped the investigation then re-activated it. He has still not been charged in Sweden - the warrant is an arrest for questioning.

[Gustaf]

I understand the main character, I just find him unsympathetic. Perhaps interesting, but not sympathetic. Disappointingly and unevenly written, too.

Really?  He's right up there with Bertie Wooster in my ranking.

If I started engaging in non-consensual sex I would take it seriously, yes.

If you have perpetrated heterosexual liaison in our patriarchal society, Gustaf, you have 'engaged in non-consensual sex'.  (according to some feminist analysis)

Yes, all penetrative sex is rape and all that. Then again, it's not rape-rape!

[Gustaf]

I will say one thing, the laws for rape in Sweden is stupid.

Please explain, I'd like to know why you think this.

From what I've heard it was consensual, but some circumstances like not wearing condoms now makes it illegal. I just don't agree with it.

It's hard to give consent when you're asleep. Just sayin'

[asexual trans victimologist]

I understand the main character, I just find him unsympathetic. Perhaps interesting, but not sympathetic. Disappointingly and unevenly written, too.

Really?  He's right up there with Bertie Wooster in my ranking.

Keep in mind that I, conversely, find for instance Makioka Yukiko incredibly sympathetic and fascinating.

[opebo]

Did I just see Opebo singing the glories of feminism?

No.

[opebo]

Here's a nice video I happened to be watching, which gives an excellent view of what a fine man is Assange.

[asexual trans victimologist]

Here's a nice video I happened to be watching, which gives an excellent view of what a fine man is Assange.

I saw the title of the video and who else was in it and closed the tab.

[opebo]

Here's a nice video I happened to be watching, which gives an excellent view of what a fine man is Assange.

I saw the title of the video and who else was in it and closed the tab.

Why? Afraid to face any questioning of your indoctrination?