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« on: June 22, 2012, 06:02:41 am »
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New president, new thread (largely because I'm too lazy to find the old one). But at any rate, with a professional soap opera/comedy troupe in power and a bunch of people who've lived in palaces and had nice cars with chauffeurs for ten years now living like hobos in opposition, these five years should be fun. Even if Flanby is really proving to be the boring flabby baby he's always been.

The first news is the mini-shuffle, which adds four new people to the cabinet for a total of 38.

The four newbies are:
Thierry Repentin (PS senator from Savoie): junior minister for professional development and learning
Anne-Marie Escoffier (PRG senator from Aveyron): junior minister for decentralization
Guillaume Garot (PS mayor of Laval and deputy from Mayenne, Segogo hack): junior minister for agrifood
Hélène Conway-Mouret (PS senator for French people abroad): junior minister for French citizens abroad

The two major changes are:
Delphine Batho (PS deputy from Deux-Sevres, Segogoist): becomes minister of the environment, sustainable development and energy after being junior minister of nothing under the minister of justice and Grand Moral Figure of the French Republic (Christy Taubira)
Nicole Bricq (PS senator from Seine-et-Marne): the former minister of the environment becomes minister of international trade, a new ministry detached from Mosco's cabinet.

Other minor changes:
Stéphane Le Foll (PS deputy from Sarthe): agriculture minister also adds "forests" to his portfolio (lol)
Sylvia Pinel (PRG deputy from Tarn-et-Garonne, who is semi-hot and my idol of sorts): becomes a full blast cabinet minister; minister of crafts, trade and tourism. In the first cabinet, she'd been under Sir Arnaud Montebourg, First Lord of Saone-et-Loire and Savior of French Manufacturing
Michèle Delaunay (PS deputy from Gironde): in her title as junior minister, 'dependence' becomes 'autonomy' (lolx2)
Benoît Hamon (PS deputy from Yvelines): in his title as junior minister, he gains 'consumption'
Marie-Arlette Carlotti (PS deputy from BDR): in her title as junior minister, she gains 'fight against exclusion' to her portfolio for handicapped people
Yamina Benguigui (nobody knows): loses the 'French citizens living abroad' and is only junior minister for La Francophonie. Big deal.

This basically adds 3 senators, when there had been only one senator in the first cabinet. Garot's inclusion is to help Segogo get over her hilarious crushing. Helene Conway was the last-ditch choice after Axelle Lemaire, the new PS deputy for England/Northern Europe refused the gig. And Escoffier's inclusion and Pinel's promotion are to please Baylet, whose little fit about the PRG's low responsibilities in the first government had an effect.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 11:41:44 am »
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Excellent idea ! Smiley Now that France is back to normality, it's time to resume the general thread to discuss about political events.

As for the reshuffle, no meaningful stuff (apart from Bricq's de-facto firing which hints that the environment really isn't exactly Hollande's priority). LOL @ the obvious pandering toward the French abroad. The PS suddenly discovered about them after they gave it 8/11 seats. Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2012, 07:17:59 am »
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The new parliamentary groups are as follows :

- Gauche démocrate et républicaine : 15 members (10 FG, 5 overseas left-wing MPs) presided by André Chassaigne.

- Socialiste, républicain et citoyen : 295 members (of which 279 socialists and 16 "apparentés", ie dissidents and miscellaneous overseas MPs) presided by Bruno Le Roux.

- Radical, républicain, démocrate et progressiste : 15 members (12 PRG, the lone MUP guy and Thierry Robert, the MoDem guy elected in Réunion) presided by Roger-Gérard Schwartzenberg.

- Ecologiste : 18 members (17 EELV plus the UDB guy) presided by François de Rugy.

- Union des démocrates et indépendants : 29 members (centrists of all kinds, NC, URCID, AC, independent Radicals, overseas right-wingers and other various rightists) presided by Jean-Louis Borloo.

- Union pour un mouvement populaire : 196 members (185 UMP, 11 "apparentés") presided by Christian Jacob.

9 MPs don't belong in any group (the 3 far-rightists, the MoDem's Jean Lassalle, an overseas left-winger, a MPF, a DLR and two more independent right-wingers).


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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2012, 08:54:49 am »
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Where can I find a detailed overview of the non-obvious people's group status? (The assembly website I suppose...)
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 09:41:10 am »
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Where can I find a detailed overview of the non-obvious people's group status? (The assembly website I suppose...)

Yup. See this : http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/qui/declarations-groupes.asp

BTW, poor Falorni is in the radical group too.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2012, 09:52:51 am »
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God, that's unsearchable. They couldn't have actually printed people's group affiliation on the individual member sites?
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2012, 07:06:16 pm »
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A few comments about the groups:

The GDR group basically got, on top of the 10 FG, the 2 Martinican nationalists and another Martinican who is close to them (from the RDM), then Huguette Bello, the former Reunionese Communist who left the PCR. The most surprising is Gabrielle Serville, who is from the Guianese Socialist Party (PSG) which I would have thought would have joined the Socialists. It is interesting to note that the MUP deputy (Robert Hue's party) joined the Radical grouping and the 3 MRC deputies joined the Socialist group like Hutin had done in 2007. I guess they recognize who got them where they are in the first place.

The PS dissidents besides Falorni (and also the criminal Andrieux) are 'apparentes' to the SRC group. The MRC, Serge Letchimy and Chantal Berthelot are also in the group. Gabrielle Louis-Carabin, who only five years ago was a strong Sarkozyst from Guadeloupe but who has turned into a leftie, is also in the group.

The Ecolo group will, in reality, have 17 members because Duflot's suppleant is the former PS deputy who will sit, obviously, in the SRC group. The Greenies, who always need to be unique, also have a co-presidency with de Rugy and Barbara Pompili (Somme) as co-prez. But the official rules don't recognize a co-presidency, so I guess de Rugy is First Consul rather than co-president. Smiley

The Radical group has the 12 PRG deputies, the MUP deputy (in the IDF regional council, the MUP and PRG already form a group), the MoDem guy from La Reunion (who, as I've said before, is pretty leftie and won with leftie votes) and Falorni. Falorni has said that he isn't joining the PRG and is only doing this while the PS stops playing its boring act and lets down its stupid vendetta against him. It's interesting to point out that Sylvia Pinel's suppleant is PS but this is compensated by Cahuzac's PRG suppleant. The official name is 'Radical, Republican, Democratic and Progressive' group. The name 'progressive' is amusing to somebody like me who likes 3rd Republic parliamentary groups, because the 'progressive' groups back then were basically pretty darn conservative right-wingers. The word 'democratic' seems like a new buzzword.

The UDI group is really interesting. In reality, all the NC people - including Lagarde's 5 Urcidistes and the seven other 'morinistes' - have joined it (though Damien Abad, the old NC MEP elected in the Ain, is UMP now. lol morin). Consider that Morin had basically sworn he didn't want to sit in the same group as Lagarde... But only 5 Radicals have joined it (out of a potential total of 12): Borloo, Jego, Reynier and two others who are unimportant. Nice job, Borloo! Otherwise, the group includes all 3 Tahoeraa MPs from Polynesia, the two Caledonie ensemble centre-rightists from NC. Then the group turns into oddballs: Jean-Christophe Fromantin, the maverick centre-right mayor of Neuilly and new DVD deputy; the centrist ex-UDF UMPer Henri Plagnol, but then the sole remaining deputy of the really conservative right-wing CNIP (Gilles Bourdouleix) and F-X Villain, the mayor of Cambrai who is supposed to be in NDA's party (but NDA is a non-inscrit). The most bizarre is Yannick Favennec (Mayenne), who is a liberal (ex-DL) Copeiste (though he's also kind of a maverick and had often ranted against Sarko on tweeter). What took him?

So the UDI is more a group of right-wingers, from real centrists to fake centrists (centre-rightists) to oddball UMPers to really right-wing folks, than an actual centrist grouping. Of course, I've always known to be wary of anything which includes the word 'independant(s)' in it, because indepedants has always meant reactionaries. It's fine to know that some things never change.

The UMP group is unsurprising, of course. The UMP dissidents (people like Solere or Gilles Lurton in Saint-Malo) are in it as 'apparentes' like are the remaining Radicals.

So the non-inscrits include Ary Chalus, the centre-left (GUSR?) deputy from Guadeloupe; the new DVD deputy from Wallis-et-Futuna, Lassalle, the MPF woman and the ex-MPF youngie from Les Sables (apparently approached by the UDI too), NDA and the 3 far-rightists.
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 04:19:15 am »
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There are some bizarre things indeed. MUP in the radical group, PSG in the commie one, GUSR in the non-inscrits... And the UDI is indeed a pretty silly bunch. It seems pretty clear that they desperately tried to gather as many non-UMP righties as they could without caring about policy proposals. So, the centrists will be useless as always.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 04:21:00 pm »
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The austerity will probably be quite bad. The government is already getting out the syrup: it has announced the legalization of gay marriage and adoptions for 2013.

Would somebody please think of the children?
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 05:07:59 pm »
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Would somebody please think of the children?

Well, at least Boutin isn't in the Assembly anymore.
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2012, 04:33:26 am »
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The austerity will probably be quite bad. The government is already getting out the syrup: it has announced the legalization of gay marriage and adoptions for 2013.

Yeah, the first measures seem quite harsh, but I think most French people saw that coming. Only the commies are faking outrage and call Hollande a traitor. Yet, for now at least, all his campaign promises seem to be going to be kept.
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2012, 10:17:12 pm »
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Oh great.  Another "left-winger" who promises an alternative to austerity, gets elected, and implements it. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2012, 08:06:32 am »
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Ayrault is making his general policy speech right now.

First actual issue he mentions is public debt.
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A relatively "aggressive" speech. He is constantly slapping Sarkozy and the past government.

A pretty "serious" speech too, not lyrical at all (except a few times at the beginning when he talked about patriotism and all the fluff).

MPs are so childish. The majority applauds constantly, the opposition boos constantly.
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A relatively "aggressive" speech. He is constantly slapping Sarkozy and the past government.

You'll get used to that, the British people have begun to tune that out when Cameron talks like that.
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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2012, 09:11:37 am »
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Hurray ! They will repeal the local governments reform !! Cheesy Gaël will be happy.
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2012, 09:38:22 am »
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Back to lyricism for the conclusion. Tongue

WTF, opposition MPs are leaving ? Shocked
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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2012, 04:27:52 pm »
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Hurray ! They will repeal the local governments reform !! Cheesy Gaël will be happy.

That's cool I guess. But I hope that they won't just accept the stupid and redundant status-quo, and that they won't treat decentralization as allowing useless regions to build some stupid park in the middle of nowhere. I'm curious as to what alternative they will come up with, just as I'm curious about the introduction of PR and the quasi necessary redistricting which comes along with it.
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2012, 05:06:56 pm »
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Hurray ! They will repeal the local governments reform !! Cheesy Gaël will be happy.

That's cool I guess. But I hope that they won't just accept the stupid and redundant status-quo, and that they won't treat decentralization as allowing useless regions to build some stupid park in the middle of nowhere. I'm curious as to what alternative they will come up with, just as I'm curious about the introduction of PR and the quasi necessary redistricting which comes along with it.

Yeah, I hope they will do something serious. Getting away with Départements and giving their competences to regions could be useful, IMO. Suppressing préfets or drastically reducing their power should too. But both of course will never happen.

Considering that all three maps we have had so fare have been gerrymandered by the right, seeing some left-wing gerrymandering should be interesting. Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2012, 05:11:54 pm »
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I'm bothered by the fact that we will be unable to compare anything between old and new constituencies... Sad
And I hate PR: it's not fun AT ALL.

As for local reform, you can dream a lot, guys Cheesy
Expect some Raffarin-like reforms...
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The answer is clearly to find some way of cloning Gaston Defferre.
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Watching David Cameron and Francois Hollande speaking at Downing Street. The media keep asking why Cameron refused to meet Hollande in February. The awkwardness is palpable.
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It's pretty clear Cameron despises Hollande. I don't know if there was a big deal in the UK, but his comment about welcoming french fiscal exilees in Britain due to Hollande's proposed tax reforms didn't play very well here.
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Bank of France Governor Christian Noyer told President Francois Hollande that he should act to address France’s “serious” economic weakness by shaking up the labor market and restraining wage costs.

“France has allowed serious weaknesses to develop over the past few decades, which account for the slow deterioration in its economic position in Europe and the world,” Noyer said in an annual letter to the French president. “Having paid insufficient attention to developments in its competitiveness, France has let its capacity to produce and export slowly slide, resulting in rising unemployment.”

Noyer’s remarks are aimed at spurring talks between unions and businesses today in Paris that are intended to shape economic policy over the next five years. Corporate leaders including former European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. Chief Executive Officer Louis Gallois have called on Hollande to create a competitiveness “shock” by slashing labor costs.

With growth stalling, joblessness at a 12-year high and neighboring Italy and Spain already in recession, Hollande’s challenge is to convince unions to accept curbs both to wage costs and labor rules that will make it easier for businesses to compete with their counterparts abroad.

France has the euro area’s second-highest unit cost of labor after Belgium, according to an April Eurostat report. The French figure of 34.20 euros ($42) an hour compares with Germany’s 30.10 euros, Italy’s 26.80 euros and 20.60 euros for Spain.


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-10/noyer-warns-hollande-of-france-s-serious-economic-weakness


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A nice touch that Hollande could welcome Miliband with open arms after their other pleasant meeting in London in February. I guess they see a lot in each other (laughed off as nerdy gorps, getting to the top of their parties despite no one expecting it, hated by the righties in the establishment).

He hasn't had Cameron round at the Elysee either, so it's even more of a lol-ish move.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/24/ed-miliband-francois-hollande-elysee-palace_n_1698581.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

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