France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism

[RogueBeaver]

Count me as a vote for Muni '14. As for MLP's poll ratings, the election is only 4 years away. LOL @ Flamby having a 2-1 disapproval in 10 months though.

[Leftbehind]

I think the UK government could match that.

Also interested in a municipal 2014 write up.

[Dereich]

I'm interested in the municipal election guide as well.

What ever happened with that Cope-Fillion thing? Did that ever come to a conclusion?

[Hash]

What ever happened with that Cope-Fillion thing? Did that ever come to a conclusion?

The UMP will hold a new congress sometime this fall. In the meanwhile, both sides have come to an uneasy truce/ceasefire/compromise at the end of December 2012, the solution was to create a huge leadership which 'doubles up' every position in the party leadership with a copeiste and filloniste in each spot. Jeff is president, but you have two top VPs (Chatel + Wauquiez), 18 delegate VPs (each position with a filloniste and copeiste); 2 top SGs (Tabarot + Pecresse), 12 delegate SGs (each position with a filloniste and copeiste). And because it's the UMP, it's basically a sausage fest: Rachida Dati is the only female VP out of 20...

They should also review the statutes to fix some issues and make it tougher for elections to be rigged. In return, the RUMP dissolved. They all hate each other's guts, but they all understand that sh**tting on one another in public before the local elections is hardly productive.

[Keystone Phil]

Le Pen getting further attention as FN battles with French Soccer star Karim Benzema as he comments on not singing the French national anthem.

[Hash]

Rather, what is attracting attention in France is that the budget minister, Jérôme Cahuzac, has resigned in relation to the allegations that he had an offshore bank account in Switzerland. He still claims he's innocent.

Bernard Cazeneuve (PS), junior minister for European affairs, has replaced him. Cazeneuve is a former noniste from 2005, but he lobbied deputies for the EU budget treaty. Thierry Repentin (PS) replaces him as junior minister for European affairs but Repentin's position as junior minister for professional development and learning is not being replaced.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Good thing. It is intolerable to have our budget minister under these kinds of accusations, even if he ends up being innocent.

[RogueBeaver]

What Antonio said.

[Hash]

Sarko indicted in the Mamie Zinzin/Bettencourt affair: http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/03/21/affaire-bettencourt-sarkozy-confronte-au-majordome_1852256_3224.html#xtor=EPR-32280229-[NL_Titresdujour]-20130322-[titres]

The right throws a fit, the FN is doing its smug face and the left is overjoyed.

The NatAss rejected the first no confidence motion of this government, proposed by the UMP. Only the UMP and most of the UDI voted in favour; all others didn't vote at all because only votes in favour count against the government.

btw, Sarko seems to have given up on life. He looks as sh**tty as the Sarcelles Pimp.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Sarko indicted in the Mamie Zinzin/Bettencourt affair: http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/03/21/affaire-bettencourt-sarkozy-confronte-au-majordome_1852256_3224.html#xtor=EPR-32280229-[NL_Titresdujour]-20130322-[titres]

The right throws a fit, the FN is doing its smug face and the left is overjoyed.

The NatAss rejected the first no confidence motion of this government, proposed by the UMP. Only the UMP and most of the UDI voted in favour; all others didn't vote at all because only votes in favour count against the government.

btw, Sarko seems to have given up on life. He looks as sh**tty as the Sarcelles Pimp.

This is the face of France's next President.


...at least if we believe the word of Phil, the great expert in French politics.

[Antonio the Sixth]

http://www.estcequilvabientotentaule.com/

LOL

[Hash]

Two great reactions of outrage from the UMP:

Christine Boutin: Coup de tonnerre: Mise en examen @NicolasSarkozy . Est ce que cela va régler les pbs des français ? Non ! Nous devenons fous!
(is homophobic ranting and bible-bashing going to solve the country's problems? also, how is some crook getting served with an indictment a sign of going crazy?)

Lionnel Luca: Mettre en examen un ancien Pdt pour abus de faiblesse sous prétexte de financement de camp élect est grotesque et en dit long sur la justice
(I know Luca is a neofascist and a racist buffon, but how is an indictment for gross violation of campaign finance laws 'grotesque'? What is grotesque in Luca's bizarro little world?)

And JF Copé isn't even feigning faux outrage and isn't doing great at concealing his inner joy at the news:
Le seul mot qui me vienne à l’esprit quant à cette mise en examen de Nicolas Sarkozy, c’est incompréhension.

Comme vous, je trouve que le traitement qui est aujourd’hui réservé à Nicolas Sarkozy est profondément injuste.

En tant que Président de notre mouvement et ami de Nicolas Sarkozy, je veux redire que je suis à ses côtés, dans cette épreuve.

Same goes for Fillon:
Je suis stupéfait par la décision de mise en examen de Nicolas Sarkozy qui m'apparait aussi injuste qu'extravagante

J'exprime mon soutien et mon amitié à Nicolas

J'espère que la vérité triomphera au bout de cette épreuve douloureuse qui lui est injustement imposée

[Antonio the Sixth]

Fortunately the UMP isn't the PdL...

[Tender Branson]

Protest in Paris: Anti-Gay Marriage Activists Clash with Police

Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets of Paris on Sunday to protest a plan by the French government to legalize gay marriage and adoption. The demonstration turned violent with police using tear gas and batons.

A colorful protest turned into a street battle in Paris on Sunday after anti-gay marriage demonstrators clashed with police.



An estimated 300,000 people took to the streets in the French capital to protest against the "marriage for everyone" draft law, passed last month by parliament with a wide majority led by President François Hollande's Socialists and their allies. The demontrators hope to discourage the bill's approval next month by the Senate, where the Socialists also lead.

Disagreement over the bill -- a campaign promise by Hollande -- is dividing French society. While many supported the measure when Hollande was elected, rising unemployment and the president's failure to improve the economy have sparked resentment of the bill to grant same-sex couples equal marriage and adoption rights. Placards carried by protesters read: "We want a job, not gay marriage."



Conservative activists, families, pensioners and priests came out to try and stop the law from being passed, many of them from outside the city. But the protest took a violent turn when police blocked a few hundred demonstrators from veering onto the city's famous Champs-Elysées avenue toward the presidential palace. Demonstrators reportedly harassed officers and objects began flying through the air, prompting police to use tear gas and batons.

Participants reportedly fell to the ground, overcome by the tear gas. Prominent politician Christine Boutin, who heads the conservative Christian Democratic Party, was also reportedly injured. At least two arrests were made.

The landmark Champs-Élysées, a tourist magnet, had not been approved as a route for the protest. Interior Minister Manuel Valls said the demonstration "got out of hand" when organizers became overwhelmed by "extremist groups" taking part in the protest.



While police estimated that some 300,000 took part, protest organizers said that 1.4 million people were there.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/anti-gay-marriage-activists-clash-with-paris-police-a-890752.html

[Lief 🗽]

Obviously we all abhor police brutality, but it's nice to see them breaking some fascist skulls for once.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ah, the Paris police...

[Antonio the Sixth]

What Lief said basically. Yeah, the French riot police is usually pretty awful, but these demonstrators are the last kind for which I'd feel sorry.

[Hifly]

but these demonstrators are the last kind for which I'd feel sorry.

Because they believe that marriage is between a man and a woman?!?!?

[Antonio the Sixth]

but these demonstrators are the last kind for which I'd feel sorry.

Because they believe that marriage is between a man and a woman?!?!?

It goes a bit deeper than that... but if you want a shortcut, yes.

[Hifly]

but these demonstrators are the last kind for which I'd feel sorry.

Because they believe that marriage is between a man and a woman?!?!?

It goes a bit deeper than that... but if you want a shortcut, yes.

What about a group of convicted murderers who were demonstrating for same sex marriage. Do they come close to the last kind you feel sorry for?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Ah, obvious hyperboles and people who are so eager to point them out...

[Hifly]

Ah, obvious hyperboles and people who are so eager to point them out...

It's obviously not meant to be taken literally but it highlights concern regarding your logic.

[Hash]

What Lief said basically. Yeah, the French riot police is usually pretty awful, but these demonstrators are the last kind for which I'd feel sorry.

Yeah, the anti-gay marriage crowd are basically disgusting homophobes who use the most absurd and retarded 'arguments' and put on some big melodramatic show. Just look at Christine Boutin's 'OMG I'M DYING' or Henri Guaino trying to imitate de Gaulle. And when you look further into the movements behind it, you find charming company: the Catholic fundies, the neo-fascists/racists or the UMP's cohort of morons and tools. Besides, any movement whose leader's name is 'Frigide Barjot' is obviously a joke.

Unfortunate to see the gwenn ha du associated to this disgusting gang. Please don't associate our flag with your bigoted cause.

[Antonio the Sixth]

What Lief said basically. Yeah, the French riot police is usually pretty awful, but these demonstrators are the last kind for which I'd feel sorry.

Yeah, the anti-gay marriage crowd are basically disgusting homophobes who use the most absurd and retarded 'arguments' and put on some big melodramatic show. Just look at Christine Boutin's 'OMG I'M DYING' or Henri Guaino trying to imitate de Gaulle. And when you look further into the movements behind it, you find charming company: the Catholic fundies, the neo-fascists/racists or the UMP's cohort of morons and tools. Besides, any movement whose leader's name is 'Frigide Barjot' is obviously a joke.

Unfortunate to see the gwenn ha du associated to this disgusting gang. Please don't associate our flag with your bigoted cause.

This is surely not her real name, is it? You can't get such a ridiculous name by chance (and if you do, you usually change it as soon as you can).

[Sir John Johns]

Of course this is not her real name. She is the member of some kind of unfunny political comedy troupe and tried to parody Brigitte Bardot in this particularly vulgar and dumb song. His husband, "Basile de Koch", is a former speech-writer for Charles Pasqua, and his half-brother is famous pseudo-journalist "Karl Zéro", the guy who uncovered the "Allègre Affair", a fanciful story involving former Toulouse mayor Dominique Baudis, a serial killer and a transexual prostitute.

Anyways, it's quite ironic to see the Sarkozyists now denouncing the brutality of the police and complaining about the zeal of the judges.