France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism

[Zanas]

Hash : do it. If you want somewhere to start, I'll ask you : Metz, Nancy, Valenciennes, Paris Ve, Marseille, Strasbourg, Bordeaux, Le Havre, Nîmes, Sète.

[Hash]

Regional breakdown of Flanby's unpopularity by BVA (35% approval nationally)



Flanby has also broken another symbolic threshold in his unstoppable race to the bottom: an LH2 poll places him below 30% approval, at 27%.

[MaxQue]

Bit wierd than Lower Normandy is in the TOP 6 of the best Hollande regions.

[Hash]

Bit wierd than Lower Normandy is in the TOP 6 of the best Hollande regions.

Probably has something to do with small sample sizes and large margin of errors. I didn't look at the poll in question, but I suspect these national polls with regional breakdowns will have some large MOEs in certain regions

[Hash]

Big TV interview yesterday for Flanby in which he confirmed that he's utterly useless and incompetent, and that he will basically continue Sarko's policies.

http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2013/03/29/retraites-cumul-pma-hollande-s-eloigne-du-programme-socialiste_3150260_823448.html

Guy Mollet 2.0

[RogueBeaver]

Why am I not surprised? Elect a hapless fonctionnaire...

[Antonio the Sixth]

Don't blame me, I supported Aubry.

(though, of course, I voted for Hollande and I would do it again if the alternative was Sarkozy... but probably not by the 1st round)

[Hash]

(though, of course, I voted for Hollande and I would do it again if the alternative was Sarkozy... but probably not by the 1st round)

Yes, Flanby is probably still better than Sarkozy. To begin with, Sarkozy is an abrasive and dishonest dickhead while I still get the feeling that Flanby is personally decent and honest (even if also an imbecile); although I have no doubt that by 2017 this government will be just as absurdly corrupt as all the other ones. Also, Flanby's gang don't hate gays, browns and Muslims.

Don't blame me, I never considered voting for Flanby in the first round

[RogueBeaver]

Cahuzac's secret Swiss bank account isn't so secret now.

http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2013/04/02/jerome-cahuzac-entendu-par-les-juges-d-instruction_3152138_823448.html

[ZuWo]

"Le changement, c'est maintenant"

[Zanas]

Watching this government is a bit like watching a trainwreck, except a very very very predictable one. And they even manage to get better and better at wrecking the train while it's wrecking.

With the UMP's leadership issues, broad avenue to Marine Le Pen...

[Antonio the Sixth]

Piece of sh*t.

[Leftbehind]

So that minister was tax dodging all along? What a f'ing scumbag. Hollande should just jail him for decades in retaliation.

[Antonio the Sixth]

So that minister was tax dodging all along? What a f'ing scumbag. Hollande should just jail him for decades in retaliation.

I certainly hope he goes to jail for a long while. However, considering the French judiciary's legendary leniency toward politicians, he'll probably get some joke sentence.

[Leftbehind]

I reckon the only way Hollande can salvage something from this is by appearing determined to see him banged up for a long time.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I reckon the only way Hollande can salvage something from this is by appearing determined to see him banged up for a long time.

Well, ideally, the President should not interfere with the course of a judicial affair (of course, every President has actually done it, but Hollande at least doesn't want to make it blatant).

[Hash]

What makes his case even more hilarious is that he was the minister in charge of fighting tax evasion.

I have a hard time believing that nobody in the PS or the government knew what was his deal before the sh**t hit the fan.

[RogueBeaver]

According to the article he had the account for 20 years. Yet somehow background checks either didn't catch it or swept it under the rug.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, these are criminal charges we're talking about, so it's pretty obvious he did his best to hide all that sh*t.

[Zanas]

According to the article he had the account for 20 years. Yet somehow background checks either didn't catch it or swept it under the rug.

What background checks ? You either are the President's buddy and you enter the Government, or are not and stay out. Simple as that.

Oh and it goes on :

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And I can tell you when they speak about extremist parties, they're not speaking about the Left Front.

Hollande should resign now and give the Presidency to Marine Le Pen altogether. That way she could at least make some bullsh**t before 2017 and get beaten... (not saying this seriously, just, you know, out of profound and utter lassitude and resignation...)

[Leftbehind]

When was the last voting intention poll released?

[Zanas]

There are basically none of these in between electoral campaigns (which, granted, are almost every year, but the non-Presidential ones last only 2 to 3 months). Especially, there is no "general election tracker" that would generically poll a supposed Presidential election all the way during the 5-year term. That's something that we election maniacs would appreciate, but frankly that would be weird to have here...

And when they do poll, they poll like sh**t. For example, they polled nationally around three weeks ago for a municipal election next year of all things...

This gave the following :
Far-left 2 %    
Left Front 9 %    
Greens 6 %    
PS 27 %    
Modem 4 %    
UMP 38 %    
FN 12 %    
Others 2 %

Remember people are supposed to say for which mayoral candidate they would vote. Obviously FN, having close to no incumbent, loses a lot in a poll like this. But differences would be huge, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them win a record number of municipalities next year, in Pas-de-Calais, Moselle, Vaucluse or Gard.

[Leftbehind]

Yeah, that municipal poll isn't very helpful. From a British perspective it's quite strange that there are no polls mid-term.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Apparently Cahuzac's bank account has been opened by a far-rightist fiscal lawyer who now is close to Marine Le Pen. Hopefully this will mean she won't benefit too much from this...

[MaxQue]

Apparently Cahuzac's bank account has been opened by a far-rightist fiscal lawyer who now is close to Marine Le Pen. Hopefully this will mean she won't benefit too much from this...

It's one of her closest advisers.
She defended herself by saying than it happened while she was at the law faculty and than opening an account in a foreign country isn't illegal, it's not declaring the money in it which is. She is quite right on that one, the law faculty was useful for her.