France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism

[RogueBeaver]

Sarko resigning immediately from the Constitutional Council. Is that a first for an ex-president?

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Delphine Batho lashes out at austerity and the lack of collegiality in government, accuses the government giving in to powerful 'economic forces' and calls on the left to mobilize in favour of the environment. She's really pissed off.

http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2013/07/04/delphine-batho-met-en-cause-les-lobbies-economiques_3442514_823448.html

[windjammer]

What happens now with regards to legal penalties?

The UMP is literally in trouble economically. This party will many millions!

Sarko resigning immediately from the Constitutional Council. Is that a first for an ex-president?

Probably, but for the presidents of the Ve Republic:
Charles de Gaulle: he refuses to join the Constitutional Council
Pompidou: just impossible
Mitterrand: I'm not sure he joins, he was sick.
There are just VGE and Chirac and I know that VGE is really inactive now!
So it's not really important.

Delphine Batho lashes out at austerity and the lack of collegiality in government, accuses the government giving in to powerful 'economic forces' and calls on the left to mobilize in favour of the environment. She's really pissed off.

http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2013/07/04/delphine-batho-met-en-cause-les-lobbies-economiques_3442514_823448.html

"Un ministre, ça ferme sa gueule ou ça démissionne" Chevènement

[Antonio the Sixth]

Sarko resigning immediately from the Constitutional Council. Is that a first for an ex-president?

Is the resignation definitive or can he recover his seat whenever he wants?

[windjammer]

Sarko resigning immediately from the Constitutional Council. Is that a first for an ex-president?

Is the resignation definitive or can he recover his seat whenever he wants?

I'm not sure if it's possible to resign...

[RogueBeaver]

Here's the article.

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"Un ministre, ça ferme sa gueule ou ça démissionne" Chevènement

On that basis, Montebourg should have been fired/resigned months ago.

[windjammer]

"Un ministre, ça ferme sa gueule ou ça démissionne" Chevènement

On that basis, Montebourg should have been fired/resigned months ago.

Yes, you're completely right. I hope he will be fired quickly, but it's unlikely .

[Zanas]

Sarko resigning immediately from the Constitutional Council. Is that a first for an ex-president?

Is the resignation definitive or can he recover his seat whenever he wants?

I'm not sure if it's possible to resign...

It is possible to resign, and it is possible to retake your seat. Apparently Vincent Auriol was the first and only to do both : resigned in 1960, returned in 1962.

[MaxQue]

What happens now with regards to legal penalties?

The penalty is no refund of electoral expenses, which is a loss of 11 millions, I think.

[tpfkaw]

I'm not quite sure why all you French lefties are so enthusiastic about making President Marine that much more likely.

[big bad fab]

Sarko resigning immediately from the Constitutional Council. Is that a first for an ex-president?

Is the resignation definitive or can he recover his seat whenever he wants?

I'm not sure if it's possible to resign...

It is possible to resign, and it is possible to retake your seat. Apparently Vincent Auriol was the first and only to do both : resigned in 1960, returned in 1962.

You don't resign from the CC: you can only "not take part in its works and meetings", because former presidents are automatically members, by law or ex officio in a way.

Giscard took part in the CC only a long, long time after 1981.


Well, it's of course a very bad news for the UMP.
I predict that Sarkozy will try to create another movement, which will try to federate UMP, UDI and some other small things.
So as to not be obliged to contest the UMP primaries (the new rules of the UMP aren't very good for Sarkozy...) and to prevent Fillon (and Borloo or any small centre-right politician) from being a candidate.
And so as to steal some money from these parties, without having to repay for the debts he left (because he also left debts in the party in 2007 that weren't erased in 2012...).

Sigh... when will the rightist base understand that Sarkozy will kill the right and give Hollande a second term ?

[Zanas]

I'm not quite sure why all you French lefties are so enthusiastic about making President Marine that much more likely.

This has nothing to do with that. How can you even come to the conclusion that cancelling Sarkozy's campaign accounts will make Marine Le Pen more likely to be president ?

And also, Fab, yes of course you cannot truly resign since the seat on the Council is ex officio and ad vitam aeternam, but you can publicly state that you won't participate in its works for a time, which to my knowledge only Auriol had done before Sarko.

[tpfkaw]

I'm not quite sure why all you French lefties are so enthusiastic about making President Marine that much more likely.

This has nothing to do with that. How can you even come to the conclusion that cancelling Sarkozy's campaign accounts will make Marine Le Pen more likely to be president

She'd be more likely to make the runoff, and also more likely to make the runoff against Hollande.

[You kip if you want to...]

I'm not quite sure why all you French lefties are so enthusiastic about making President Marine that much more likely.

This has nothing to do with that. How can you even come to the conclusion that cancelling Sarkozy's campaign accounts will make Marine Le Pen more likely to be president

She'd be more likely to make the runoff, and also more likely to make the runoff against Hollande.

I'm more likely to be elected President of France than Marine Le Pen.

[Hash]

Nice lives up to its time-honoured tradition of racist and/or neo-fascist mayors. Today, Christian Estrosi (FNUMP) prides himself on beating up Romas, calls on mayors to revolt against them and says he will send a users' guide to beating them up.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2013/07/07/97001-20130707FILWWW00060-estrosi-dit-mater-les-roms.php

[RogueBeaver]

Nice lives up to its time-honoured tradition of racist and/or neo-fascist mayors. Today, Christian Estrosi (FNUMP) prides himself on beating up Romas, calls on mayors to revolt against them and says he will send a users' guide to beating them up.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2013/07/07/97001-20130707FILWWW00060-estrosi-dit-mater-les-roms.php

Estrol seems like quite the specimen of pond scum, to put it mildly.


In other news, Moscovici says the income tax hikes stop next year. No word on indirect taxes, fees, etc.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Estrosi is a scumbag, but probably not the worse among the little Alpes-Maritimes UMP clique. Right now it's Ciotti who appalls me the most, though that might change.

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Estrosi is a scumbag, but probably not the worse among the little Alpes-Maritimes UMP clique. Right now it's Ciotti who appalls me the most, though that might change.

Well, Ciotti and Estrosi are basically one and the same. I'm not sure if Ciotti is still Estrosi's pawn, but that certainly used to be the case. That horrible department produces a whole bunch of repulsive FNUMP-type morons. If I had to choose, my vote for the 'worst of the 06 clique' would undoubtedly go to Lionnel Luca, who is basically a fascist (also a racist, homophobe and colonialist). In making such lists, it would also be wrong to omit one Michèle Tabarot.

[RogueBeaver]

At least 7 people have been killed in a train derailment outside of Paris. Valls says there are many more injured.

[RogueBeaver]

4 cars piled up, 385 passengers on board.

In other news, Fitch has downgraded credit to AA+.

[Zanas]

This is the worst train accident in France in 25 years. My wife had to take a train from the same station just 45 minutes after...

It ended to 6 killed, many more injured.

[Antonio the Sixth]

My wife had to take a train from the same station just 45 minutes after...

Oh my god, that must be terrifying.

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UMP misogynistic war on Cecile Duflot continues, resorts to trashing her bf and leads to her crying: http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2013/07/16/a-l-assemblee-le-tweet-anti-14-juillet-du-compagnon-de-cecile-duflot-refait-surface_3448526_823448.html

[Zanas]

My wife had to take a train from the same station just 45 minutes after...

Oh my god, that must be terrifying.

Well I accompanied her to the station, so no that was alright. On the other hand I have to take the exact same train to Limoges that crashed on August, 1st.