France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism

[Leftbehind]

Who would you be you standing for?

[Zanas]

I am in Gauche unitaire, one of the "what's left of the FG" groupuscule, whose leadership wants to follow the PCF on some PS lists to get mandates, against the will of a majority of its members.

Trotskyists...

[Leftbehind]

How are they able to push it through? Their votes outweigh yours? Sounds disastrous.

[Zanas]

They got a majority in a non partisan vote in our previous congress, and now they won't submit the question to a vote of the organization. We're pushing for a new congress, though we need 2/3 of the members for that.

[Hash]

Direct quote from Samia Ghali:

Que Matignon se mêle de ces primaires me pose problème. M. Mennucci rassemble les élus, je rassemble les Marseillais. Je suis la candidate antisystème.

Hey, at least she's honest.

[Zanas]

She's honest, but anyone from the PS saying she is antisystem is hilarious at best, maddeningly ironical at worst and depressing in all cases.

Plus, anyway, anybody claiming he is antisystem without the precision of said system they are against is supremely moronic.

(Am I turning into Hash ?)

[Hash]

Mennucci has won the primary (no numbers yet) but Ghali seems pissed off and there are rumours she won't endorse him. Even talks of dissident lists...

[Hash]

Samia Ghali just gave a speech... insane stuff. No concession, no mention of his name, she recognized she had not won, but said she hadn't lost because their fight continues (etc), she bitched about how she had been alone against 5 candidates and the government, she said she was extremely disappointed in Ayrault and the government's behaviour... And then when she pronounced Ayrault and Flanby's name, there was huge booing. She strongly criticized the government's policy.

tl;dr: Samia Ghali spoke like Panzergirl, the PS is a joke party

[Zanas]

And Paris' PCF voted 57-43 in favor of 1st round lists with the PS...

They are a moribund party of moribund members under social liberal breathing assistance. Well... I'm not voting for this list either round.

[Hash]

Mennucci 57.16%
Ghali 42.84%

24,037 voters.

[Hash]

PS unity:

[big bad fab]

And Paris' PCF voted 57-43 in favor of 1st round lists with the PS...

They are a moribund party of moribund members under social liberal breathing assistance. Well... I'm not voting for this list either round.

Even though many young Communist leaders are more leftists (I mean socially liberal "gauchistes") than real communists, I think that there is something of a new landscape emerging in the "left of the left".
See Dieppe, where an EELV-PG list will fight against the PCF incumbent, supported by the PS.
See Rennes, with a PS-PCF list attacked by a EELV-PG-UDB list.
See also the Leonarda issue, with a split inside the PS between Lienemann, Hamon or Désir on one side, Kalfon (from the "Gauche populaire"), Royal or Le Guen on the other. Very interesting.

Old communists plus socialist apparatchiki, against red (Mélenchon-NPA), pink (Hamon) or green (EELV) "gauchistes", this may be the new split inside the left.
Of course, as the left of the left is as united and well-organized as the centre-right (whatever alliance MoDem and UDI may put forward...), there won't be a two-big-party left, with a social democrat wing and a leftist wing.

[big bad fab]

Mennucci 57.16%
Ghali 42.84%

24,037 voters.

It's a great result for Ghali. And a symptom of a problem of authority inside the PS: populism and disdain for Hollande and Ayrault aren't only outside the PS, in the popular electorate which has largely swung to the FN or dropped any idea of turning out; they are also inside some local PS organizations.

Of course, Gaudin is old, Mennucci is a better candidate than Ghali and a potential FN pressure on Gaudin may result in his defeat anyway. But, well, whereas I was very pessimistic for his reelection only weeks ago, he may win again, after all.

[Hash]

[Antonio the Sixth]

lolmarseille

[RogueBeaver]

Football clubs will strike starting next month over the supertax.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Lacks dignity.

[Hash]

BREAKING NEWS: Samia Ghali has smiled!



She has proposed a conditional endorsement of Mennucci. Very disappointing stuff Details: http://www.laprovence.com/article/edition-marseille/2591606/reconciliation-en-vue-entre-ghali-et-mennucci.html

A journalist from La Provence RTed my map of the primary runoff

[Hash]

In today's news

The Crazy Lady has completely lost it again:
http://bigbrowser.blog.lemonde.fr/2013/10/24/chemin-delacroix-segolene-royal-pose-en-liberte-guidant-le-peuple/

Flanby lives in alternate reality/another planet where unemployment is going down:
http://www.lemonde.fr/emploi/article/2013/10/25/ayrault-convaincu-que-la-courbe-du-chomage-va-s-inverser-avant-noel_3502681_1698637.html

[windjammer]

Well, I think Hollande should change his PM. I would strongly advocate him to nominate Aubry. Strategically, it would be smart. She's a big mouth and he has to recover with the base.


And please, NOT VALLS.

[RogueBeaver]

He's now at 26% approval, though not quite at Sarko's record low of 22% a couple of years ago. I'd say he should review policy more than personnel, but that's just me. On the flip side, there's a long time till the election.

[windjammer]

He's now at 26% approval, though not quite at Sarko's record low of 22% a couple of years ago. I'd say he should review policy more than personnel, but that's just me. On the flip side, there's a long time till the election.

Rewiew policy? More on the left or more on the right?

[Hash]

Well, a less fascist and racist immigration policy under a minister who isn't some modern day milicien would be nice; but the chance of that happening is lower than me hooking up with Aubrey Plaza tomorrow.

[Hash]

Panzergirl has been watching way too much Homeland, insinuates that the freed hostages have been 'turned' and that we have a Brody amongst us!

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/live/message/527/215/891/cc6/f00/7b3/03b/fcc.html

(keeping with the theme: Panzergirl is more annoying than Dana Brody)

[Tender Branson]

It seems there's a racism scandal in France right now:

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10428765/Racist-France-is-back-says-countrys-first-black-newsreader.html